[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's quite true, and don't get me started on the Roman Catholic's or we will be here all day. Though they don't actually make them cover up from head to foot and maintain they are meant to cast down their eyes as well to their feet. .

No, but nor do most Muslims. The vast majority of Muslim women in the west wear modern clothing and may or may not cover their hair - many don't even do that.

There are SOME more strict and backwards groups that have their women covered up and hidden away. But it would also be true to say that there are still some niche Christian groups that DO insist their women are covered "neck to toe" in "modest" clothing, just without the face and head covering. These groups aren't common but they exist.

Likewise, modern Muslims who wear normal western clothing - both male and female - are far more common than the alternative. You just don't notice those Muslims because they "look like normal folks" and are not news worthy. Depending on where you live, you probably walk past hundreds of Muslims every day, but you'll only notice the ones that "stand out" as being not the norm. Don't assume that they are representative of the majority!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm sure that is obvious to most, if Livia requires clarification I'm sure she'll ask. You needed police my comments.

It is based on an assumption that non religious are also non believers, no apology is necessary.

It's been mentioned enough times for me to notice. I'd call out anyone who said the same thing.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, but nor do most Muslims. The vast majority of Muslim women in the west wear modern clothing and may or may not cover their hair - many don't even do that.

There are SOME more strict and backwards groups that have their women covered up and hidden away. But it would also be true to say that there are still some niche Christian groups that DO insist their women are covered "neck to toe" in "modest" clothing, just without the face and head covering. These groups aren't common but they exist.

Likewise, modern Muslims who wear normal western clothing - both male and female - are far more common than the alternative. You just don't notice those Muslims because they "look like normal folks" and are not news worthy. Depending on where you live, you probably walk past hundreds of Muslims every day, but you'll only notice the ones that "stand out" as being not the norm. Don't assume that they are representative of the majority!

It is in the Quran.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with the backlash against feminism from western people. Trump voting, Brexit craving, wish-it-was-still-like-the-old-days fish 'n' chips regressionists desperately trying to drag us all back to the union jack waving 50's.

Well guess what.

Women were still second class citizens in the 50's.

We are not in the 50s. Valuing our culture has nothing to do with wanting to regress to a time where women were second-class citizens. That is an entirely different subject.

As far as I am concerned people can believe in whatever they like ( it's just an idea at that stage nothing more) but if such beliefs in female inequality include the waving of a flag demonstrating such beliefs on a public street in a country where female equality is written into its laws it becomes a hate crime and should be treated as such.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It is in the Quran.

It is indeed- which speaks volumes for me.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Currently, 62 percent of Slovakia's 5.4 million population are declared Roman Catholics.'

From the article in the OP... what was that about repressing women?

Are you speaking in tongues?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Are you speaking in tongues?

You said you had an issue with Roman Catholics... Well 62% of Slovakia ( the subject of the article in the OP) are Roman Catholic.

I'm presuming there's no call for a restriction of subsidy for that repressive religion, why would that be do you think?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You said you had an issue with Roman Catholics... Well 62% of Slovakia ( the subject of the article in the OP) are Roman Catholic.

I'm presuming there's no call for a restriction of subsidy for that repressive religion, why would that be do you think?

Um, I already said that I hold the same views with regard most religions. Though Islam is more repressive.

I'll say it again, no religion should receive state subsidy's nor have any role in politics or education.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You do realise this is an Islamophobic comment don't you? Every religion has it's fundamentalists, even yours.

Again here we have the premise that if you are not religious you are a non believer which is totally wrong.

A made up word, to creep blasphemy laws back into the West.

If you are a non-believer, then why would you believe in that word?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

A made up word, to creep blasphemy laws back into the West.

If you are a non-believer, then why would you believe in that word?

Islamophobic, and hate-crimes are made up words that don't mean anything? Careful, Alf.. A pattern is starting to emerge.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Islamophobic, and hate-crimes are made up words that don't mean anything? Careful, Alf.. A pattern is starting to emerge.

Do you believe there should be blasphemy laws?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Do you believe there should be blasphemy laws?

I'm not sure I'm seeing the connection. There's a difference between blasphamy and Islamophobia.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not sure I'm seeing the connection. There's a difference between blasphamy and Islamophobia.

What is that difference?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

A made up word, to creep blasphemy laws back into the West.

If you are a non-believer, then why would you believe in that word?

We have hate laws... Are they not good enough?

For the 20th time I am NOT a non believer :/

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We have hate laws... Are they not good enough?

For the 20th time I am NOT a non believer :/

What are you then?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We have hate laws... Are they not good enough?

For the 20th time I am NOT a non believer :/

These hate laws, is it just certain things you're not allowed to hate, or are you not allowed to hate anything at all?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

What is that difference?

You have access to the internet Alf. You can Google this yourself.

Blasphemy is taking Gods name in vain (not specific to any religion)
Islamophobia is the prejudice and hatred against a specific group of people

They are not similar, they are not connected. They are not made up words with no real meaning either.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

You have access to the internet Alf. You can Google this yourself.

Blasphemy is taking Gods name in vain (not specific to any religion)
Islamophobia is the prejudice and hatred against a specific group of people

They are not similar, they are not connected. They are not made up words with no real meaning either.

I've not seen anyone imply they hate any people, we've been discussing a religion and religions haven't we?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I've not seen anyone imply they hate any people, we've been discussing a religion and religions haven't we?

Stop jumping to conclusions Jaxie, nobody has suggested this, I'm having a convo with Alf because he was confused what the word meant. You can read this yourself. It would have taken 20 seconds.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What are you then?

I'm a non religious believer if you must categorise me... Not that should make one iota of difference when it comes to responding to a thread.

Someone mentioned shooting down opinions earlier... jeeze :/

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Stop jumping to conclusions Jaxie, nobody has suggested this, I'm having a convo with Alf because he was confused what the word meant. You can read this yourself. It would have taken 20 seconds.

Well yes they have, a forum member was accused of Islamophobic remarks by Kizzy.

[Tom4784]

Seems like an hysterical fear to me, it's not going to happen. People are becoming less religious over time, the idea of a state religion would likely be abolished long before it would become Islam.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm a non religious believer if you must categorise me... Not that should make one iota of difference when it comes to responding to a thread.

Someone mentioned shooting down opinions earlier... jeeze :/

Well you said you weren't, you also said you were, I was just wondering.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well yes they have, a forum member was accused of Islamophobic remarks by Kizzy.

Why are you including me in this because I explained what the word meant to somebody that didn't know.
Just seems like sniping/baiting.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well you said you weren't, you also said you were, I was just wondering.

I have never said I wasn't... Never.