[Denver]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Yeah. Nothing to do with Torrie and Obama governments funding and supporting ISIS and other "moderate rebels" initially. Both parties are to blame.

Tony Blair was the first to invade Iraq when he had no business doing so

[Jarrod]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Terrorist attacks happen

Politicians vying for control of the country comment on preventing attacks like these.


I am shocked. I didn't expect this.

This.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Tony Blair was the first to invade Iraq when he had no business doing so

true

[Tregard]

Corbyn will say ‘Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home.’ Suggesting that UK foreign policy bears responsibility for terrorist attacks here just days after a terrorist atrocity has killed so many children is, to put it mildly, controversial.

Now, Corbyn will add that ‘That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions.’

Not exactly "a speech about the attack and how Labour will not let things like that happen". It could go either way, depending on the surrounding context.

[rusticgal]

It's a cheap shot...Corbyn and his government won't make any difference. I think our intelligence services have prevented many planned attacks...but unfortunately these things will continue to happen despite our best efforts and no other party will be able to stop it...like I say it's a cheap shot.

[Mystic Mock]

It will be interesting to hear what he says as I'm not convinced that he'd do much better tbh.

[Jack_]

If you think Crosby hasn't been drafting up a plan to use this to the Conservative's advantage, you're completely naive. Things are about to get vary nasty, very quickly.

We'd all prefer this incident to not be politicised so soon, but it's going to be. And quite frankly Corbyn needs to define himself on this issue before his opposition define him, which is what happened to Miliband. I am absolutely terrified at what lies ahead if that disgusting woman is gifted a landslide majority, there is far too much to lose to just allow them to get away with setting the agenda here.

He's treading a fine line citing UK foreign policy, even if he is right. Should be focusing more on the cuts to policing under May's watch as home secretary, which, as we can see here, she was warned about:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

He needs to ask serious questions about why two people could report Abedi's penchant for extremism and nothing be done.

And, of course, point out that he was right all along:

These clips need playing ad nauseam for the next two weeks. The tabloid press are about to unleash an all-out assault and it's imperative Labour are prepared for it.

[Kizzy]

Excellent post jack, thank you.
I just hope those sentiments are remembered on June 8th

[Beso]

I wont be surprised if hee appears in a buhrka.

[thesheriff443]

Both parties will use the terror attack as a platform as to why they should be in power.

Death from terrorist attacks in this country are few and far between but deaths due to underfunding in the nhs is happening ever single day.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Both parties will use the terror attack as a platform as to why they should be in power.

Death from terrorist attacks in this country are few and far between but deaths due to underfunding in the nhs is happening ever single day.

Its two weeks until the elections and we all want to know who's going to do what about the ongoing terrorism on our shores. Personally I think its crucial that the table is laid bare. What's going to be done, who's going to do it?

The right wing tabloid backers made it their mission to use this incident for Tory gain. UKIP made it clear very quickly about how they would handle things. Labours ideas were leaked but not yet officially out and yet its the Labour party who are getting hammered by people who's thinking skills don't go beyond 'us against them'.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I would like to hear how all the parties plan on dealing with this. Little girls were blown up at a pop concert and Labor are being vilified for putting forward a way of stopping it?

No they are not,they are being vilified for trying to be the good guys and hinting Teresa May was the cause.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No they are not,they are being vilified for trying to be the good guys and hinting Teresa May was the cause.

He wants to put forward some pivotal political points; those points being, why, since the Tories took over have 19,000 police officers gone and the number of armed police halved? Nobody is saying Blair's NL didn't do the same thing. He's guilty of following Bush into Iraq whilst making police cuts here but the Tories jumped on NL policy and continued those cuts to the point of crippling our British police force.

He wants to point out, and so he should, that austerity was not about us all being in this together because when you have to cut a police force and emergency services down the middle, it doesn't work for the common good.

He's not justifying terrorism but he's linking terrorist acts with government policy and he's absolutey right to do that. The Green party, the Lib Dems and UKIP will do the same.

[DemolitionRed]

We shouldn't have troops on our streets. We should have more trained professionals working J's and trying to find terrorists. What's a soldier capable of? putting his life between me and a terrorist? I suggest that's too much to ask of him.

[Withano]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...reat?CMP=fb_gu

“our foreign policy reduces rather than increases the threat to this country”.

“Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home.

That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions. But an informed understanding of the causes of terrorism is an essential part of an effective response that will protect the security of our people that fights rather than fuels terrorism.”

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Withano

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...reat?CMP=fb_gu

I like Tim Farron but that comment was stupid. We have two weeks until an election that could change our country for the better and in those two weeks, the right wing press are using this atrocity for their own political gain but Corbyn's not allowed to speak? Tim Farron can go take a running jump.

[thesheriff443]

Nothing is really going to change regardless of who is elected.
Terrorist are not going to stop trying to kill people for what they believe in.
What will happen is if idiots keep up the anti muslim crap it will push normal Muslims towards extremists.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I like Tim Farron but that comment was stupid. We have two weeks until an election that could change our country for the better and in those two weeks, the right wing press are using this atrocity for their own political gain but Corbyn's not allowed to speak? Tim Farron can go take a running jump.

I've gotta admit, I was concerned it was too soon... but I think it was Jack that said he needs to define his stance before other parties defines it for him, which is a good point... you can't ignore it forever, every leader needs to make a formal statement eventually... but the debate on whether today is too soon is open imo.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Nothing is really going to change regardless of who is elected.
Terrorist are not going to stop trying to kill people for what they believe in.
What will happen is if idiots keep up the anti muslim crap it will push normal Muslims towards extremists.

In the short term no, but perhaps if we stay out of wars for a generation? Very possibly.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you think Crosby hasn't been drafting up a plan to use this to the Conservative's advantage, you're completely naive. Things are about to get vary nasty, very quickly.

We'd all prefer this incident to not be politicised so soon, but it's going to be. And quite frankly Corbyn needs to define himself on this issue before his opposition define him, which is what happened to Miliband. I am absolutely terrified at what lies ahead if that disgusting woman is gifted a landslide majority, there is far too much to lose to just allow them to get away with setting the agenda here.

He's treading a fine line citing UK foreign policy, even if he is right. Should be focusing more on the cuts to policing under May's watch as home secretary, which, as we can see here, she was warned about:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

He needs to ask serious questions about why two people could report Abedi's penchant for extremism and nothing be done.

And, of course, point out that he was right all along:

These clips need playing ad nauseam for the next two weeks. The tabloid press are about to unleash an all-out assault and it's imperative Labour are prepared for it.

Brilliant post again.

This woman has made catastrophic decisions all through her over 6 years as home Secretary.
Which you highlighted in your post.

I agree with Corbyn and timing is always hard to get right by anyone,the timing however of actually calling a general election after the Westminster attack,should set off alarm bells as to this extreme woman's obsession with her own authority.

What happens during said election periods that affect lives and bring about loss of lives,is vital for to then hear Parties hopes to begin to deal with same.
Also what they see as a cause to them.
How they too would look to not ignite and fuel further more vile attacks.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

In the short term no, but perhaps if we stay out of wars for a generation? Very possibly.

The damage has been done by labour they created this message and it is here to stay

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you think Crosby hasn't been drafting up a plan to use this to the Conservative's advantage, you're completely naive. Things are about to get vary nasty, very quickly.

We'd all prefer this incident to not be politicised so soon, but it's going to be. And quite frankly Corbyn needs to define himself on this issue before his opposition define him, which is what happened to Miliband. I am absolutely terrified at what lies ahead if that disgusting woman is gifted a landslide majority, there is far too much to lose to just allow them to get away with setting the agenda here.

He's treading a fine line citing UK foreign policy, even if he is right. Should be focusing more on the cuts to policing under May's watch as home secretary, which, as we can see here, she was warned about:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

He needs to ask serious questions about why two people could report Abedi's penchant for extremism and nothing be done.

And, of course, point out that he was right all along:

These clips need playing ad nauseam for the next two weeks. The tabloid press are about to unleash an all-out assault and it's imperative Labour are prepared for it.

Although on your last point the S*n and that other rag the Mail have tried their best with the smear campaign and Jeremy's just brushed it off and they're still making gains so I honestly don't think it has an effect anymore

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The damage has been done by labour they created this message and it is here to stay

Nobody can possibly know that. All parties have to put forward ideas that can contibute towards minimising and reversing the damage that Blair done. To me; Corbyns idea seems feasible, whilst May's idea seems more in line with Blairs.

You can carry on linking parties if you honestly think that's wise, I'll link policies.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Withano

Nobody can possibly know that. All parties have to put forward ideas that can contibute towards minimising and reversing the damage that Blair done. To me; Corbyns idea seems feasible, whilst May's idea seems more in line with Blairs.

You can carry on linking parties if you honestly think that's wise, I'll link policies.

Very true. How can people vote for May when they despise Blair. Two eggs out of the same basket.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Withano

In the short term no, but perhaps if we stay out of wars for a generation? Very possibly.

These wars have been going on since the crusades when the Christians tryed to take back Jerusalem.