[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I didn't say that, but smudgies's point is correct they are not proposing sweeping changes in the way Labour are.

Corbyn has said all the right things, made all the right promises, promises he knows many want to hear - the practicalities and figures of which are still unproven by an independent source.

They are... We just don't know what they are or what's being cut or introduced to pay for them. There's a difference.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are... We just don't know what they are or what's being cut or introduced to pay for them. There's a difference.

Well people will be voting blindly then and if it all backfires on them they can only blame themselves and of course Corbyn.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Well people will be voting blindly then and if it all backfires on them they can only blame themselves and of course Corbyn.

How are they voting more blindly on policies costed than they are on the tories uncosted ones?... You're making little sense.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How are they voting more blindly on policies costed than they are on the tories uncosted ones?... You're making little sense.

Because we can only go on what we are being told from a party desperate to get voters on board. If the figures aren't right or further down the line, if he won, he backtracked saying the figures were wrong people will have been misled.

One way or the other people will be voting on faith alone mixed with a substantial amount of fear of another austere Tory government.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Because we can only go on what we are being told from a party desperate to get voters on board. If the figures aren't right or further down the line, if he won, he backtracked saying the figures were wrong people will have been misled.

One way or the other people will be voting on faith alone mixed with a substantial amount of fear of another austere Tory government.

And the tory voters will be blindly voting in the vain hope that however bad it gets it will somehow affect everybody elses family and not theirs.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And the tory voters will be blindly voting in the vain hope that however bad it gets it will somehow affect everybody elses family and not theirs.

In fairness to the majority of Tory voters, I think its about feeling safe. The Tories are very good at playing 'Daddy'. "Give your money to Daddy and he will look after it for you. Give all your private access to Daddy and he's going to make sure you are safe when you go out with your friends. Vote for Daddy and he's going to make sure that nasty bogey man isn't going to steal your money and make your world unsafe".

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

In fairness to the majority of Tory voters, I think its about feeling safe. The Tories are very good at playing 'Daddy'. "Give your money to Daddy and he will look after it for you. Give all your private access to Daddy and he's going to make sure you are safe when you go out with your friends. Vote for Daddy and he's going to make sure that nasty bogey man isn't going to steal your money and make your world unsafe".

Who are you to say what YOU think Tory supporters think? and why are you posting as though none of the Tory supporters on here will read your posts? You don't know how Tory supporters think in your minds they are all off their rockers with no understanding of politics ,the way the Tory supporters are vilified in here makes me want to support them more tbh. making out labour are so lily white and true to their word,you might not like TM but at least what you see is what you get,as for Corbyn,well he's a man of many alliances isn't he?Likes the odd terrorist does he not?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And the tory voters will be blindly voting in the vain hope that however bad it gets it will somehow affect everybody elses family and not theirs.

I voted Tory last time and it affected my family,i just understood we all have to sacrifice a little sometimes, none of us starve or go without our luxuries, this is the UK we are one of the luckier countries..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I voted Tory last time and it affected my family,i just understood we all have to sacrifice a little sometimes, none of us starve or go without our luxuries, this is the UK we are one of the luckier countries..

Well if you're ok with it fair play, many aren't. Many are sick of working and still living hand to mouth and sacrificing.

If you could be certain of a decent education for your kids, or to be able to afford to heat your home when you are older, or you're not terrified there will be no state healthcare or your house won't be ripped out from under you when you die...then it might be an option to maintain a state of permanent complacency... but you can't.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I voted Tory last time and it affected my family,i just understood we all have to sacrifice a little sometimes, none of us starve or go without our luxuries, this is the UK we are one of the luckier countries..

But how much sacrifice can this country take before it stops becoming one of the "luckier" countries? The Tories don't hit themselves in the pocket, just the normal everyday working class/middle class person.