[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Yeah, 'cause if people hadn't built temples and churches it would never have occured to them to build anything else, right ?

There are also plenty of ancient tombs, palaces and civic buildings that have nothing to do with religion.

It's undeniably still and always has been the biggest cause of violence, conflict and persecution that the World has ever known.

They're all just a bunch of cults!

That is total nonsense, most wars are over land wealth, oil, power, monarchy
wars occured for thousands of years before Christianity and before all religion

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree with a lot of what NM says. I have always believed religion was put in place to civilize the masses and it did to a great extent. The problem with us humans is, we are tribal in nature and so our religion became our tribe.

If it wasn't for religion, Trump would never of become president of America. 40% of Americans don't see the point in spending money on global warming because Jesus is coming.

ah yes its Jesus fault trump rose to power, Absolute nonsense.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Religion gave the world human sacrifice, more people have been killed in holy wars than all other wars put together.

That is simply a lie

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

It could be that without the constraints and judgements of religion we could be far more advanced than we are now.

nope wed be far worse....greed would have been even more out of control centuries ago

[armand.kay]

Do people really think that without religion there wouldn't be any conflict in the world? Even if the whole world was atheist I guarantee there would still be war and injustice. Religion is not the problem people are.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Do people really think that without religion there wouldn't be any conflict in the world? Even if the whole world was atheist I guarantee there would still be war and injustice. Religion is not the problem people are.

Exactly,great post,no more needs saying.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Do people really think that without religion there wouldn't be any conflict in the world? Even if the whole world was atheist I guarantee there would still be war and injustice. Religion is not the problem people are.

Indeed they are but religion provides that vessel with which some people can control others. Weak and disfranchised people are easy targets for people with an agenda and religion provides the means to get them on board- something to believe in and give them hope.

[Livia]

Hitler wasn't religious, neither was Stalin. Two of the biggest mass-murderers in history.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hitler wasn't religious, neither was Stalin. Two of the biggest mass-murderers in history.

Indeed and over 100 million died because of these psychos

Not even sure communist dictators like Mao or pol pit were religious either and they killed approx 50 million people between them

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by the truth

Indeed and over 100 million died because of these psychos

Not even sure communist dictators like Mao or pol pit were religious either and they killed approx 50 million people between them

Bad people are bad people, some of whom claim to be religious and use that religion for personal gain.

Otherwise people are entitled to believe in what they like as long as they don't attempt to force it on others.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Bad people are bad people, some of whom claim to be religious and use that religion for personal gain.

Otherwise people are entitled to believe in what they like as long as they don't attempt to force it on others.

I wish atheists would quit forcing their opinions on others and focring people to agree with them and in many cases trying to outlaw religion...atheism has become incredibly intolerant. I notice margaret court who doesnt believe in same sex marriage is getting mercilessly abused by the left, the lgbt community and even tennis players like andy murray demanding her name be removed from the margaret court arena. simply for having a different opinion. The left is totally judgemental, intolerant and hypocritical. They simply want to ban free speech and in many cases religion itself. yet its the left who lead us to kill a million innocent iraqis and saw more filth and abuse in nhs hospitals than ever in history. They claim to be more moral, they are less moral imo

[lostalex]

total crap.

Think how much farther ahead our society would be without religion teaching children nonsense instead of encouraging them to study science. Religion always stifles advancement.

How many brilliant minds were silenced out of fear because societies attack anyone who contradicts religion.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hitler wasn't religious, neither was Stalin. Two of the biggest mass-murderers in history.

but they also saw HUGE advancements in science under their reigns. technology that still benefits society today.

When religious leaders cause mass murders there isn't any benefit at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but they also saw HUGE advancements in science under their reigns. technology that still benefits society today.

When religious leaders cause mass murders there isn't any benefit at all.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's true though. At least the soviets and nazis actually invented some cool ****.

that doesn't justify any of the horrible atrocities they committed, of course.

But it's better than just torturing and murdering people with absolutely no improvements for the world, like most religious atrocities (religious wars and terrorism).

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by the truth

Christianity raised 100s of billions for the worlds poorest and sickest every year around the blobe....tens of thousands work voluntarily to cloth and feed the poorest and supply them medicines. Im not saying a religious person is better or worse than an atheist. I am saying the organization of Christianity does enormous good on a massive scale. And unlike atheists I do fifferentiate this religoon from Islam and judaism and consider Christianity to be vastly superior. It has also brought us many of our strongest principles and laws upon which european civilization has been built. It has been a force for good in many ways. I believe most wars which are easily blamed on religion, though where did Christ encourage war or discrimination? He simply didnt. Wars are nearly always over wealth, money, resources, land, greed and monarchy. ALways of course to make the elite 1% even richer.

I agree with all of this.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Religion gave the world human sacrifice, more people have been killed in holy wars than all other wars put together.

The people who kill other people would do so even if there were no religion. These sick b......s use religion as an excuse.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree with a lot of what NM says. I have always believed religion was put in place to civilize the masses and it did to a great extent. The problem with us humans is, we are tribal in nature and so our religion became our tribe.

If it wasn't for religion, Trump would never of become president of America. 40% of Americans don't see the point in spending money on global warming because Jesus is coming.

If it wasn't for religion we would not have Islamic terrorism and millions upon millions of deaths across the globe historically and currently.

[lostalex]

No, religion held people back from doing all the amazing things you've mentioned by decades. Religion has always ALWAYS held back progress.

Reilgion has always peddled lies and intimidation, and never NEVER encouraged people to think differently and inventively.

According to religion the only inventor is God. It is the biggest lie ever told.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

It could be that without the constraints and judgements of religion we could be far more advanced than we are now.

and even more immoral amoral and greedy. wars existed before religion and they would do so after. some people are insane some are evil.