[Wizard.]

A party that promises loads of stuff but rarely delivers on it (Labour)

Or

A party that doesn't promise a lot but doesn't let you down (Conservative)

I'm honestly interested because I find things like party loyalty weird for example people who have been Labour all their life despite the fact every Labour government promises the moon and can't even deliver a bit of dust or Tories who vote for a stronger economy but which does not necessarily effect their day-day life.

[RichardG]

c) a party whose manifesto you believe in

no matter which party gets elected you will still be screwed over one way or another, so just vote for what you think is right

[smudgie]

I have voted both sides, depends who is the leader and if they come across as worth my vote.
I don't really think it depends on what you have or not, so can't see people just voting for personal gain, either way.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Riley.

A party that promises loads of stuff but never delivers on it (Labour)

Or

A party that doesn't promise a lot so doesn't let you down (Conservative)

I'm honestly interested because I find things like party loyalty weird for example people who have been Labour all their life despite the fact every Labour government promises the moon and can't even deliver a bit of dust or Tories who vote for a stronger economy but which does not necessarily effect their day-day life.

What makes you think that the Labour party can't deliver on their promise ?

My party loyalty comes from having a fairly broad understanding of how politics work. I only become a party loyalist when I've looked at something from all angles and can clearly see its 1. good for the majority and 2. possible. If you ask around on here, I was a Labour supporter this time last year and then moved away from Labour. I only came back recently. I'm picky about my politics and the only thing that can sway me is research and that research tends to happen when I'm fence sitting.

Whoever told you that Labour always promises the moon but can't deliver? that's a very anti-Labour approach and not one I'd be inclined to take a lot of notice of without some very thorough research of your own.

Would you mind rephrasing that bolded last sentence as I'm not sure what you mean?.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What makes you think that the Labour party can't deliver on their promise ?

My party loyalty comes from having a fairly broad understanding of how politics work. I only become a party loyalist when I've looked at something from all angles and can clearly see its 1. good for the majority and 2. possible. If you ask around on here, I was a Labour supporter this time last year and then moved away from Labour. I only came back recently. I'm picky about my politics and the only thing that can sway me is research and that research tends to happen when I'm fence sitting.

Whoever told you that Labour always promises the moon but can't deliver? that's a very anti-Labour approach and not one I'd be inclined to take a lot of notice of without some very thorough research of your own.

Would you mind rephrasing that bolded last sentence as I'm not sure what you mean?.

The whole premise is with the two party system it's always the same old same old. My last point was that the Tories are more a party that take care of the economy and don't get involved with people's lives as much as Labour. Some can say that's a negative or a positive.

[Withano]

Is that the kind of leading question you were asked before you decided Conservatives were best? Cos like, you're making it appear that way, and that's tragic

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Riley.

The whole premise is with the two party system it's always the same old same old. My last point was that the Tories are more a party that take care of the economy and don't get involved with people's lives as much as Labour. Some can say that's a negative or a positive.

I thought that's what you were trying to say but I couldn't believe you really thought that. Do people really believe the Cons are taking care of the economy? How? Our economy is getting more and more broken by the day. We are in a depression. Nothing is being spent and if you don't spend, you can't take care of or grow an economy.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Is that the kind of leading question you were asked before you decided Conservatives were best? Cos like, you're making it appear that way, and that's tragic

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I thought that's what you were trying to say but I couldn't believe you really thought that. Do people really believe the Cons are taking care of the economy? How? Our economy is getting more and more broken by the day. We are in a depression. Nothing is being spent and if you don't spend, you can't take care of or grow an economy.

Oh I didn't know Labour supporters were so defensive and touchy, it's tragic

[Withano]

Hey guys whats better, serious question

more money you can dream of, you gotta like fill out a load of forms and thats soooo borrrring

OR CRIPPLING DEBT!!!! Its really EASY. Someone just comes and mugs you also you die tomorrow

Thats literally what you sound like

[joeysteele]

What's best is who treats the weakest,poorest and sick and disabled best.
Making sure those groups are protected to the full.
I always formed my belief of right in society,to judge those aspiring to public office,how they would and do treat those groups.
Reading through politics and govts over the post war period,both Labour and Conservative largely did protect such groups.

Even Margaret Thatchers govt did not set out to persecute the weakest,sick and disabled as the Coalition govt and this govt have done so shockingly.

I was Conservative until 2009, I was unsure as to Cameron's NHS dedication so voted Lib Dem in 2010,mainly on the tuition fees issue.

Now I am Labour, because again that is for how I'd see them treat the weakest,sick and disabled after the near horrific stressful sledgehammer wielded by the Conservatives,towards those citizens.

Party loyalty comes when a party's consistent as to your hopes and you believe they will deliver.
I have little party loyalty but will fight for what I believe is right, so in elections under this vastly outdated electoral system we have, really only one of 2 Parties can win or lead enough to take power.
Labour or Conservative.

No way will this PM and this Conservative Party at present protect the weakest, poorest,sick and disabled.
So of the 2 main Parties,I have only one I could ever or would trust as to that.

All govts may not be able to deliver all they promise but they should and can be compassionate.
Especially to its weakest in society.
Ensuring such groups are built up not brought down.

I was told a saying by my Grandmother,which I always try to hold onto in life,which forms too my political thinking and allegiances.

'the only time you should look down on people is when you are helping them up'.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hey guys whats better, serious question

more money you can dream of, you gotta like fill out a load of forms and thats soooo borrrring

OR CRIPPLING DEBT!!!! Its really EASY. Someone just comes and mugs you also you die tomorrow

Thats literally what you sound like

I'm actually thinking of joining SDP I actually their policies just wish they didn't have "social" in their name.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Riley.

I'm actually thinking of joining SDP I actually their policies just wish they didn't have "social" in their name.

Thats cool, yo do you. Leading questions like this in the meantime though just make you look ridiculous

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats cool, yo do you. Leading questions like this in the meantime though just make you look ridiculous

It's not a leading question you're literally looking too much into it.

[Kazanne]

The latter for me although there are things I don't agree with with Conservatives,but I do think they are far better at just getting on with things without the constant waffle of throwing money at people who stamp their feet when they cannot get all the things they want,Corbyns popularity went up as soon as he said he would be throwing money into this and into that, and Mays went down (we are led to believe) because she did not promise all those things,as for the Conservatives not caring about the sick and disabled,I saw none of that when we had a sick and disabled man to look after,he was helped in anyway possible,we had to wait for a few aids for him ,but he got them and excellent care,mom got a pittance for looking after him,but not everything is about money and how much we can get all the time.I think some of the remarks about her says more about the people who have said it that it does about her,afterall Corbyn is no trendy,adonis is he, and why should it even matter? from what I have seen on here and social media the opposition seem very hostile and condescending.better the devil you know for me I think.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Riley.

It's not a leading question you're literally looking too much into it.

"Hi guys whats better someone that always lets you down, or someone that never lets you down"

You literally worded a very open question in a way that makes it impossible to give any answer but the one you wanted. Thats a leading question.

You're an intelligent guy, and you're better than this.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Withano

"Hi guys whats better someone that always lets you down, or someone that never lets you down"

You literally worded a very open question in a way that makes it impossible to give any answer but the one you wanted. Thats a leading question.

You're an intelligent guy, and you're better than this.

I literally said the Conservatives don't offer people much - I thought that was a clear negative?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Riley.

I literally said the Conservatives don't offer people much - I thought that was a clear negative?

It was perfectly clear what you meant Riley

[Kizzy]

Oh yeah the conservatives offered me nothing... and that's what I got nothing,
no hope,
no faith in my country,
no security,
no stability,
no savings

Gee thanks :/

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Riley.

I literally said the Conservatives don't offer people much - I thought that was a clear negative?

I wouldn't be interested in either of those parties, I don't consider myself loyal to any though, leaders and policies change.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The latter for me although there are things I don't agree with with Conservatives,but I do think they are far better at just getting on with things without the constant waffle of throwing money at people who stamp their feet when they cannot get all the things they want,Corbyns popularity went up as soon as he said he would be throwing money into this and into that, and Mays went down (we are led to believe) because she did not promise all those things,as for the Conservatives not caring about the sick and disabled,I saw none of that when we had a sick and disabled man to look after,he was helped in anyway possible,we had to wait for a few aids for him ,but he got them and excellent care,mom got a pittance for looking after him,but not everything is about money and how much we can get all the time.I think some of the remarks about her says more about the people who have said it that it does about her,afterall Corbyn is no trendy,adonis is he, and why should it even matter? from what I have seen on here and social media the opposition seem very hostile and condescending.better the devil you know for me I think.

How nice,you haven't seen sick and disabled treated badly so it mustn't happen to you.
Well I have been to appeals at Courts helping people get back entitlements wrongly taken off them by this govts policies as to claiming same.

Two thirds of appeals are won in full,it costs the taxpayers loads.
The courts have a backlog of cases of appeals waiting to be heard,that's how many there are.

You haven't seen that so it mustn't be,unbelievable.
I have seen it and it is and should be a National disgrace.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How nice,you haven't seen sick and disabled treated badly so it mustn't happen to you.
Well I have been to appeals at Courts helping people get back entitlements wrongly taken off them by this govts policies as to claiming same.

Two thirds of appeals are won in full,it costs the taxpayers loads.
The courts have a backlog of cases of appeals waiting to be heard,that's how many there are.

You haven't seen that so it mustn't be,unbelievable.
I have seen it and it is and should be a National disgrace.

I can only go by my own experiences Joey,I'm sorry you've experienced those things,I was answering the question as honestly as I could , I am sure there are good and bad stories all over, that happens in all walks of life.

[reece(:]

Legend labour of course!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I can only go by my own experiences Joey,I'm sorry you've experienced those things,I was answering the question as honestly as I could , I am sure there are good and bad stories all over, that happens in all walks of life.

I'm not sorry I came across such disgraceful injustices at all.
I'm glad I got out my bubble and came across them and am in a profession to help such people.

It's not a question of good and bad,it's wrong to remove entitlements from people who.need them.
This govt is forever moving the goalposts as to scoring for eligibility.

Never mind,your govt will ensure more and more suffer in the future with their rotten ongoing plans to come.
Of course you won't see that as it never seems to happen where you are it seems.
So that's alright then.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm not sorry I came across such disgraceful injustices at all.
I'm glad I got out my bubble and came across them and am in a profession to help such people.

It's not a question of good and bad,it's wrong to remove entitlements from people who.need them.
This govt is forever moving the goalposts as to scoring for eligibility.

Never mind,your govt will ensure more and more suffer in the future with their rotten ongoing plans to come.
Of course you won't see that as it never seems to happen where you are it seems.
So that's alright then.

Oh get over it you don't have the monopoly on morals, what is/isn't injustice and what and who are good or evil. You have what the rest of us have - opinion. Nothing more.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Oh I didn't know Labour supporters were so defensive and touchy, it's tragic

Not touchy, just frustrated at the continual naive statements.