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04-06-2017, 12:41 PM | #26 | |||
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04-06-2017, 12:45 PM | #27 | |||
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I think all views are best aired to an extent obviously within legal reasoning. It's the only way to continue educating both ourselves and others. Shutting down people's views allows them to fester and grow....only by discussing and debating can fears and Descrimination be tackled head on.
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04-06-2017, 12:51 PM | #28 | |||
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The OP is presumably more frustrated with the buck-passing peddled by tabloids, which is understandable.
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04-06-2017, 12:57 PM | #29 | |||
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Again, there is no discussion. We're not allowed to tackle it. Telling someone that you believe their views to be horrendous and discriminatory is "passing personal comment" and therefore not allowed. Ammi; I'm not sure where you've got the idea that be "personal comments" I mean throwing around Insults... All I mean is directly being able to address people's posts and share an opinion on that post, and an opinion on that person for making that post. That is discussion, that is part of these issues being addressed. It is specifically not allowed. Reiterating, again: people can say whatever they want "in general" without fear of anyone expressing a negative opinion of them, personally, for their abhorrent views. It doesn't work. It isn't working. There is abundant evidence of it not working. This forum is increasingly, by the day, full of smug entitled racism. That is MY opinion and I am as entitled to it as anyone else, though I'm sure I'll be accused of "thinking I'm always right" for...what? For not agreeing with THEM. If it wasn't such mind-blowingly frustrating hypocrisy it would actually be funny. |
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04-06-2017, 01:05 PM | #31 | ||
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Members have strong opinions on both sides.
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04-06-2017, 01:07 PM | #32 | |||
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04-06-2017, 01:08 PM | #33 | ||
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04-06-2017, 01:12 PM | #34 | ||
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That point being that there is a line. There needs to be a line, somewhere, between free speech and hate speech and that line is being crossed. Not often, not in every thread, not even every day maybe, but it is an increasing trend that needs to be addressed before it gets totally out of hand. That is what my OP says. Draw that line BEFORE this gets way out of hand. The line is unclear and there is a huge problem looming, plenty of people can see it. |
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04-06-2017, 01:23 PM | #35 | |||
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There are wise words in the post below also.
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04-06-2017, 01:23 PM | #36 | ||
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If you see a post and think its racist report it!
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04-06-2017, 01:25 PM | #37 | |||
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04-06-2017, 01:26 PM | #38 | |||
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04-06-2017, 01:37 PM | #39 | |||
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I've seen no hate speech on here,just people with very different opinions
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04-06-2017, 01:42 PM | #40 | ||
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As someone who is constantly telling me that I'm wrong to "always believe that I'm right" - I'm confused as to why you would think that the fact that "you don't see it" means it definitely isn't there. Do you accept that it might be there and you simply aren't aware of it, or are overlooking it?
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04-06-2017, 01:48 PM | #42 | |||
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I 100% agree with Ammi (particularly the first post). Welcome to 2017.
Our institutions are being stretched to their limits as far as freedom of speech and democracy is concerned and more and more pressure are being put on them to do more than they are able. The same thing happening to our institutions is what has happened to TiBB. Democracy itself in particular is being tested by the introduction of the internet. It used to take months if not years to create movements. Now they are created in minutes. Fires can be created through social media and sites like these just as fast as they are being snuffed out. No question, our very definition of culture and what we call "society" is being tested. There's not much the mods can to "regulate" this... especially if our own governments can't even control the spread. Media outlets (left or right) try to "suppress" these ideas or movements they see as a threat to their perceived vision of our culture and all it does is create more fires to be put out. Simply put, if the mods increase moderation, it will only create more fires that can be fanned. The definition of hate speech is still considered blurred in our society, partly due to varying sensitivity levels, partly ignorance. Either way until there's a stricter consensus (personally I think we're seeing a cultural death), then the mods will find that half the community disagrees with almost all their decisions on these case(s). Your solution is either ignore their acct/comments or to let them live with their reality. The fact that people will sit there though for hours and hours and argue with them their way of things is what fuels their resolve. Maybe go on a politics diet (lol) and give yourself maybe one of those really toxic excursions into a dark thread once a week or something if you're really just craving the intellectual stimulation... (I tried that though, but just quit entirely ) For me, the point of posting lost it's decomping purpose after our election(s). It's bad enough we have to endure this presidency at home, that I have to read it on TiBB and everywhere else. Everything in the US right now is "Trump intolerance Trump hate Trump liars Trump fake news Trump Trump Trump". I read and listen (dropped cable TV) the news everyday and I've been having smaller epiphanies here and there about what some of this means not only for our local community but for the country/world. I would have not gained those new understandings, nor spent by my time well, by sitting behind a computer screen arguing with someone I don't even know enough about to judge entirely objectively. Anyway I used to post at TiBB to decomp, share some posts, make fun of housemates, talk about the mundane... but off-season, it's mainly SD traffic and that tension did start to trickle to other boards. There's few places online now I can genuinely say are not suffering from the same exact problems though political discussion seems to have spilled into every facet of life. For now, internet trolls from all corners (including our "President") have hijacked our culture and we won't be able to take back control until we ourselves change and understand how we collectively and individually are fanning the flames. (Hint: Less gaslighting) |
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04-06-2017, 01:53 PM | #43 | |||
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my fear though is that because of the year weve had - theres quite an obvious 'left'/'right' divide on the forum, and will people report those that they basically consider to be part of their group? or turn a blind eye to it? The divide is obvious even on this thread, with the 'left' applauding your words, and the 'right' suggesting that theyre confused and not seen what youve speak of. In all honesty, (and this wont go down well) the only solution I see is more points per infraction. But maybe the switchup of teams when people devote their life to BB will naturally give people a better perspective of where the line should be. The year-long political mess that the country has seen is finally coming to an end.. and people wont be divided into 'this group' or 'that group' anymore, they'd be divided into like 18 different groups of stanners.
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04-06-2017, 02:00 PM | #44 | ||
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04-06-2017, 02:01 PM | #45 | |||
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04-06-2017, 02:05 PM | #46 | ||
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04-06-2017, 02:06 PM | #47 | |||
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Then again, TS... Stephen Bear, and Charlotte Crosby? One of us isn't a real leftie.
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04-06-2017, 02:16 PM | #48 | |||
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....Maru.... your posts always have so much thought in seeing so much from different perspectives.... ...I do sometimes wonder Withano, do people/posters even see each other anymore because what has stood out in the threads I have read is that people are just 'put into boxes' based on their politics...we are all living in a world of fear and totally united in that/as one with that...but we have different thoughts of what we think will bring the changes needed...pointing fingers at each other just makes for circles of pointless discussions/..(I know you've taught so it's like those awful situations when you can get into real negative times with a child and then neither of you are really listening to each other anymore because you need to find a point you can both begin on to achieve something positive..?..)...(probably an awful analogy but oh well..)... ..anyways I fairly much agree with Sheriff..if any specific single posts are thought to 'cross the line' and are found to be disturbing in some way then report them, there is no need to point fingers...it's just a pointless thing to do and just contributes equally as negatively to the whole thing...and of course, it's exactly what terrorism strives for/to divide us and try to envelope us in the 'hate' thrive on.... |
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04-06-2017, 02:40 PM | #49 | ||
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I have to admit that I'm guilty of assuming what the content of a post will be from the username. But is it not true that it's very surprising when that assumption is wrong? Not that I'm claiming to be unpredictable either. I guess the problem on a small forum is that we're all so entrenched that we genuinely DO know everyone's responses to everything, because we've already discussed everything to absolute death, or at least, we've already discussed to death the 4 or 5 topics that make up 99% of threads. Occasionally something different and interesting turns up. Maybe we need a new subforum; "Serious debates minus domestic politics, immigration and terrorism".
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04-06-2017, 02:51 PM | #50 | |||
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I also find people will lump you in with the politics they think you share. Personally I have equal disillusion with both sides of the main parties and various of the other small groups but because I will speak up when things seem unjustified or unbalanced to me, and I'm pro Brexit, people think I'm on the right, although I could argue that a true socialist should be Brexit all the way. It seems to me that most people in politics are an insincere bunch of crooks. It's funny though if I say something nice or fair about May or the government I'm considered a raging Tory yet everyone totally missed my saying Corbyn came over well on the One Show the other day. The forum gets more and more like the twilight zone every time I look in.
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