[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point is that one feeds directly into the other. Attacks increase racism, increased racism increases the amount as of radicalisation, increased radicalisation increases the number of attacks, which increases racism.

You continue to operate in that cycle if you want. It needs to be broken somewhere. And it's not going to broken "with a big ol' crackdown" that feeds directly into the same cycle.

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

OMG Ammi ur back sweetie

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

I knew something was missing from these forums, the voice of reason.we need to see more from you Ammi...please.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Prisons, it is said prison has become a breeding ground for conversions to Islam.
In prison all they would do is set out to convert others to their cause.

Put them in a separate prison,for what by the way,just being possible suspects rather than doing a vile incident like this.
Lock people up for suspected reasons on this,that will only fuel those that think like them do be more determined to murder.

More hate,more suspicion,more division.
What can prisons do, this govt has demoralised prison officers, they cannot even stop drugs getting into prisons.

The vile terrorist that carries out these acts 'want' to be martyred.
They don't care.
The killers of Lee Rigby are imprisoned,they aren't bothered and attacks have not stopped.

Whether in prison or dead, these terrorists are seen as martyrs to a cause.
How to fight that, needs bringing together communities,not dividing further.
Not whip up prejudice and hate but work for full participation from Islamic communities and leaders against this distortion of their faith.

Make places safer and if that means more Police get them not have massive taxpayers bills keeping more and more people in prison who may never get to trial.
Start with bridges,where little escape is possible and make it as unlikely as is possible to prevent traffic invading walkways.
Get the full security on the streets,using the army if deemed necessary too.
Then actively engage with Islamic communities and leaders to work out real possible ways to start to deal with this.

Not just spout off wording that sounds tough but which has never so far come into action despite these vile attacks.
Also though,make security a National issue not a Party one and thrash out an agreed policy on this by all Parties. So that continuity of said policy is carried on even if and when a govt changes.

I do think barriers on bridges and bollards on walkways would be a step forward, but if you get a big truck Joey it could still do some damage.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..no, attacks increase fears and fears can bring racism to the surface (if it was present already..)...in some cases...just dismissively calling something bull**** pointlessly adds frustrations and defensiveness also which only contributes to any negativity being felt through fears....I think it's wrong to look at what we feel are the contributions of other to negativity without looking closely at our own contribution...

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I do think barriers on bridges and bollards on walkways would be a step forward, but if you get a big truck Joey it could still do some damage.

what an absolute mess our country is in if we now have to place barriers and bollards all over our streets to stop people from running us over

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7771836.html

Another shudda gonna from may... that was your one job as home secretary, to prevent the rise of radicalisation in communities and your cuts are to blame for the reduced resources tying the hands of counter terrorism.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by RichardG

what an absolute mess our country is in if we now have to place barriers and bollards all over our streets to stop people from running us over

the bollards you see outside train stations and elsewhere came from activity by the IRA, it was also the reason you couldn't find a litter bin in central London back in the day, this is nothing new, just a new way of causing terror other than planting bombs

[Shaun]

I can't imagine how expensive barriers everywhere would be (in terms of busy towns, obviously, don't really see the need for a village square or anything smaller) but it's a good idea.

I was thinking stricter controls on who owns/drives vehicles would be required as well but I can't really fathom how that would be enforced, how open it would be to abusing the system, etc.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I "wouldn't have posted at all in a thread on terrorism"? Bull****, Cherie.

.

its not bull****, you are very quite on threads about attacks yet very vocal in mocking peoples concerns about terrorism

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by RichardG

what an absolute mess our country is in if we now have to place barriers and bollards all over our streets to stop people from running us over

I know, but we might have to do something similar to keep people safer.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I do think barriers on bridges and bollards on walkways would be a step forward, but if you get a big truck Joey it could still do some damage.

I agree but security could get round that one in some way I'm sure.

A problem is,these people distort their faith of Islam, they believe they are doing right.
To fight that we need the Islamic community leaders and religious leaders to point martyrdom is the opposite of what they'll get,carrying out these murders.

To get that cooperation,what's needed in my view, is understanding of Islam,genuine cooperation from the respected in Islamic communities and not set out to fuel.division,suspicion and separation.
That will only make things worse and far less safe for all too.

It's no easy task but dealing now with terrorist threats needs to be all Party agreement not just one government's.
That would also help send a positive message to all communities across the UK.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7771836.html

Another shudda gonna from may... that was your one job as home secretary, to prevent the rise of radicalisation in communities and your cuts are to blame for the reduced resources tying the hands of counter terrorism.

All the political baiting, specially on this thread, is getting sickening now.

If someone wants to go out and hurt people in the name of their religion, they don't give a flying **** who is in charge of the country and they are not going to stop it whether May or Corbyn is in power or how many policemen are on the street.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree but security could get round that one in some way I'm sure.

A problem is,these people distort their faith of Islam, they believe they are doing right.
To fight that we need the Islamic community leaders and religious leaders to point martyrdom is the opposite of what they'll get,carrying out these murders.

To get that cooperation,what's needed in my view, is understanding of Islam,genuine cooperation from the respected in Islamic communities and not set out to fuel.division,suspicion and separation.
That will only make things worse and far less safe for all too.

It's no easy task but dealing now with terrorist threats needs to be all Party agreement not just one government's.
That would also help send a positive message to all communities across the UK.

I agree and i think more community police within these communities who are trusted by the people who can report any suspicious activities.
Also some kind of monitoring or OFSTED type presence within the mosques.

[arista]

21 critical people still in Hospital
out of the total of 38.
Total confirmed dead is now 7.

http://news.sky.com/story/knife-atta...ports-10903580

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

its not bull****, you are very quite on threads about attacks yet very vocal in mocking peoples concerns about terrorism

If that's true, it's because this is also true;

Originally Posted by jaxie

All the political baiting, specially on this thread, is getting sickening now.

Other than to say that the attacks and loss of life is awful, what is there to say on these threads that isn't hugely disrespectful to the dead and injured? Look at the thread from last week... within the first page there had been anti-immigration comments made, when there were children lying dead or seriously hurt. I'm quiet because it's not the place, or the time, and because I struggle to read people doing that without getting angry.

[lewis111]

Police shot a member of the public last night

[lewis111]

50 bullets were fired at the 3 attackers

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Police shot a member of the public last night

Its understandable, they survived.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by lewis111

50 bullets were fired at the 3 attackers

Its understandable.

[arista]

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by jaxie

All the political baiting, specially on this thread, is getting sickening now.

If someone wants to go out and hurt people in the name of their religion, they don't give a flying **** who is in charge of the country and they are not going to stop it whether May or Corbyn is in power or how many policemen are on the street.

Of course they don't give a flying **** but I agree with Kizzy, especially when TM is bleating "enough is enough" well yes...it is, we can see that all by ourselves, and maybe we can only hope for someone in charge that might be able to make a difference rather than someone that's buried her head in the sand as Home Secretary for 6 years and doesn't have an effing clue how to go about tackling it.

Someone (I think maybe joeysteele) said that this needs to have a non-divisional, cross-party line on tackling the threat and with this I wholeheartedly agree.

[Cherie]

Unconfirmed but it looks like at least one of the attackers was reported by the Muslim community, Prevent needs a radical overhaul

[Vanessa]

Sad times we live in. You don't feel safe anywhere and you're always looking over your shoulder. I'm in central London for a concert. No one will stop me living my life. But prayers for all those we lost.