[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

No I would not, and with good reason, there must be a clause in the good friday agreement that states that this power sharing deal is contrary to any deal on neutrality?... She has screwed up royally and she knows it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I would not, and with good reason, there must be a clause in the good friday agreement that states that this power sharing deal is contrary to any deal on neutrality?... She has screwed up royally and she knows it

The entire crux of the Good Friday agreement is that both "sides" will share power, with Westminster able to step in with (supposed) unbiased judgement if there is a disagreement. The DUP having any sway over the government completely undermines the basic principles of the agreement to the extent that I would say it makes it effectively void. It's hugely worrying.

In fact it's so precarious that I would say, now having looked into the potential consequences, that the DUP (and Sinn Fein, but I doubt they ever would anyway) should simply not be able to enter into a formal or informal agreement like this in Westminster. Even that means the SNP and Plaid also not being eligible to do so as a consequence, then so be it. The consequences are just not worth it for the sake of political chess.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The entire crux of the Good Friday agreement is that both "sides" will share power, with Westminster able to step in with (supposed) unbiased judgement if there is a disagreement. The DUP having any sway over the government completely undermines the basic principles of the agreement to the extent that I would say it makes it effectively void. It's hugely worrying.

In fact it's so precarious that I would say, now having looked into the potential consequences, that the DUP (and Sinn Fein, but I doubt they ever would anyway) should simply not be able to enter into a formal or informal agreement like this in Westminster. Even that means the SNP and Plaid also not being eligible to do so as a consequence, then so be it. The consequences are just not worth it for the sake of political chess.

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

I saw this mentioned the day of the election results. I expect it wasn't spoken about before that as noone really expected any result except for a (large) Tory majority...so noone really thought through options.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

No one (NO one), from any party, not May, not Corbyn, just Kizzy, really expected it to be anything other than a Conservative majority... I genuinely just don't think it was ever thought through because no one thought the situation would come up. When it was seen as a possibility in 2015 that Milliband might be able to form a coalition government with the SNP, the Tories were dead set against the idea... it came up because it was seen as a very realistic election outcome. This wasn't, so no one even mentioned it. It's only now that it's a reality that people are stepping forward to point out that there are some very deep concerns.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one (NO one), from any party, not May, not Corbyn, not even Kizzy, really expected it to be anything other than a Conservative majority... I genuinely just don't think it was ever thought through because no one thought the situation would come up. When it was seen as a possibility in 2015 that Milliband might be able to form a coalition government with the SNP, the Tories were dead set against the idea... it came up because it was seen as a very realistic election outcome. This wasn't, so no one even mentioned it. It's only now that it's a reality that people are stepping forward to point out that there are some very deep concerns.

Erm ... I was the only person to keep my faith thank you

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Erm ... I was the only person to keep my faith thank you

Edited.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

The DUP said they would never do a deal with Corbyn,i wonder why

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The DUP said they would never do a deal with Corbyn,i wonder why

Far right parties are hardly compatible with lefties

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Far right parties are hardly compatible with lefties

Dead right.
It would be like the Cons doing a deal with the Socialist workers party,impossible.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Far right parties are hardly compatible with lefties

Hell, they're hardly even compatible with normal right wingers too

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The DUP said they would never do a deal with Corbyn,i wonder why

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just heard the DUP would NEVER prop up Corbyn,why is that?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Is this a real question?

For exactly the same reasons that the SNP, Greens, Plaid etc. would never prop up the Conservatives. Complete political incompatibility.

The Lib Dems foolishly tried to in 2010 and it completely devastated their party.

Is there a reason you're asking this same question in multiple threads? You seem to be trying to make a point that doesn't exist... like "Ooooh the DUP must not trust him!!" or something.

There's no great mystery Kazanne. They wouldn't do a deal with Labour because their policies are incompatible. The same reason that the SNP wouldn't do a deal with the Tories.