[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The cladding was flammable - we all know that NOW. Without the benefit of hindsight or mind-reading abilities this was not known at the time.

Right. so thats to blame? Clearly. Like I said in my first post on the discussion. The f-l-a-m-m-a-b-l-e cladding caused the fire that was, and sure, we know that in hindsight - I'll give you that much. I just dont understand the finger pointing to labour or tories, it was this one element. Clearly.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont completely understand the aggressive tone in your posts. Puts you in a terrible light. I also dont understand how you think a fridge can set an entire tower ablaze without the help of flammable cladding that surrounded the building. That wasnt a tory decision, wasnt a labour decision, that was one mans decision.

You dont know what was beside that fridge or in that room the fridge was by the window apparently,perhaps curtains caught alight,perhaps other stuff was by it we dont know,let the investigtion give us answers instead of summising.Oh,and I am not aggresive,was it not you that got personal?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You dont know what was beside that fridge or in that room the fridge was by the window apparently,perhaps curtains caught alight,perhaps other stuff was by it we dont know,let the investigtion give us answers instead of summising.Oh,and I am not aggresive,was it not you that got personal?

No I didnt get personal, please quote where you think I did get personal and I'll apologise if I see where youre coming from.

and sure lots of rooms have flammable stuff in it - but the tower - the actual building - set alight because of the flammable cladding that surrounded it. Like obviously. Would have been a huge fluke for the entire building to set alight because of a curtain, lol.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Right. so thats to blame? Clearly. Like I said in my first post on the discussion. The f-l-a-m-m-a-b-l-e cladding caused the fire that was, and sure, we know that in hindsight - I'll give you that much. I just dont understand the finger pointing to labour or tories, it was this one element. Clearly.

It wasn't because an effective sprinkler system would have limited the spread/speed of the spread of three fire and enabled more people to get out.

Both the cladding and a lack of a sprinkler system hughly contributed to the amount of deaths - it stands to reason.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It wasn't because an effective sprinkler system would have limited the spread/speed of the spread of three fire and enabled more people to get out.

Both the cladding and a lack of a sprinkler system hughly contributed to the amount of deaths - it stands to reason.

The cladding was obviously the main cause, because that set the entire building alight very fast. That killed a large (still unknown) figure

Had the cladding not been there, a sprinkler being in the hall might have saved one or two lives, but the lack of a sprinkler would not have killed hundreds. Several buildings have fires and no sprinklers and result in little to no deaths because they dont burn up in flames in sheer minutes, giving victims ample opportunity to get out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

No I didnt get personal, please quote where you think I did get personal and I'll apologise if I see where youre coming from.

and sure lots of rooms have flammable stuff in it - but the tower - the actual building - set alight because of the flammable cladding that surrounded it. Like obviously. Would have been a huge fluke for the entire building to set alight because of a curtain, lol.

YOu accused Kaz of being drunk, which is pretty low

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

YOu accused Kaz of being drunk, which is pretty low

Lots of people get drunk. Being unnecessarily aggressive, and making an argument against herself is a sign that Kaz might have been one of them. Sorry if you were offended by that Kaz.

[the truth]

This communist hates the UK and wants to bring us down ...open borders, sharia law, friends to hamas and the ira, massive rises in population, which in turn will destroy jobs for the working classes, who in turn will be on more benefits booze and drugs...which will swell the treasury expenditure and lose them billions in lost taxes too....His plan is the plan of a boy written on the back of a matchbox....But of course it sells well to impressionable overly idealistic kids who dont see complexities or shades of grey they just see a nice man in a white beard offering them free sweets....mammy always taught me never to take sweets off strange old men

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Withano

Good God

Good God indeed... Labour haven't run Kensington since 1974

[DemolitionRed]

Jesus wept... this is such a depressing place sometimes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

....But of course it sells well to impressionable overly idealistic kids who dont see complexities or shades of grey they just see a nice man in a white beard offering them free sweets....mammy always taught me never to take sweets off strange old men

Nah, Brillo disproved that in another thread, showing youth turnout wasn't as high as previously thought.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Jesus wept... this is such a depressing place sometimes.

socialists call it depressing, the rest of the world calls it honesty