[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

not looking good for the claddings in these pics

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not looking good for the claddings in these pics

Yes the Bosses of claddings are now in HIDING

[arista]

Grenfell Tower families
to receive minimum
of £5,500 from No 10.

http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-t...no-10-10919544

[arista]

[Grenfell Tower cladding is banned in UK,
Government says
The cladding used during a recent refurbishment at Grenfell Tower comes under fresh scrutiny as the political fallout intensifies.]


http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-t...-says-10919319

[Parmy]

I hate saying this but the evidemce i have seen and gathered is.pointing to poor fire fighting and the reactions needed.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Grenfell Tower families
to receive minimum
of £5,500 from No 10.

http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-t...no-10-10919544

£5500 for the loss of everything they owned?? That's more of an insult than a gesture to be ****ing frank .

Originally Posted by parmnion

I hate saying this but the evidemce i have seen and gathered is.pointing to poor fire fighting and the reactions needed.

Boris' fault then? I wonder if he'll have more to say then "get stuffed" this time...

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

£5500 for the loss of everything they owned?? That's more of an insult than a gesture to be ****ing frank
^^^^ not that poir and crammed in then.

Boris' fault then? I wonder if he'll have more to say then "get stuffed" this time...

^^^It had more to do with the effort rather than politics.

[Parmy]

[QUOTE=Toy Soldier;9370237]£5500 for the loss of everything they owned?? That's more of an insult than a gesture .......




Not so poor and crammed in now then i see.. hypocrisy doea help when one is trying to make a pathetic political point.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Not so poor and crammed in now then i see.. hypocrisy doea help when one is trying to make a pathetic political point.

How is that hypocrisy? Stacked 20+ floors high in small, unsafe apartments IS a crappy way to live, I'm not going back on that. Do you disagree for some reason? Are you arguing that they were in GOOD accommodation? I think they might disagree.

Or is your argument that... If they were "so poor", they would perhaps be happy / grateful to receive a paltry five grand as compensation for this ****ing nightmare?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

£5500 for the loss of everything they owned?? That's more of an insult than a gesture to be ****ing frank .

Boris' fault then? I wonder if he'll have more to say then "get stuffed" this time...

There is 5 million sllocated and more if needed, the 5,500 is an initial payment, they will get 500.00 in cash and 5,000 into their bank sccounts so they can buy the essentials, once they have been rehomed more money will be made available

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is 5 million sllocated and more if needed, the 5,500 is an initial payment, they will get 500.00 in cash and 5,000 into their bank sccounts so they can buy the essentials, once they have been rehomed more money will be made available

Yes, and once it all gets sorted they will hopefully get full compensation for the absolute horror they have had to face.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How is that hypocrisy? Stacked 20+ floors high in small, unsafe apartments IS a crappy way to live, I'm not going back on that. Do you disagree for some reason? Are you arguing that they were in GOOD accommodation? I think they might disagree.

Or is your argument that... If they were "so poor", they would perhaps be happy / grateful to receive a paltry five grand as compensation for this ****ing nightmare?

I get a weekly wage... not going to divulge it but its not above 500...i am sitting looking around my house thinking there aint 5 grands worth in here...even though i have a 49inch samsung Qdot tv.

You brought up how they would all he crammed in like sardines(even though thats not what you said)

So you were basically saying they were poor...just like the rent a mob is saying its a rich poor divide...stuff like that breeds hatred.


I work..looking around i would snap up that cash.on my rented property that i aint even got house insurnce on bcause im so supposedly poor because i live in a building more than 6 stories high and all the people who pigeon hole me think im poor.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Yes, and once it all gets sorted they will hopefully get full compensation for the absolute horror they have had to face.

And if they dont..thats when i will be up the road giving it waldie.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is 5 million sllocated and more if needed, the 5,500 is an initial payment, they will get 500.00 in cash and 5,000 into their bank sccounts so they can buy the essentials, once they have been rehomed more money will be made available

Yes,people don't listen or don't want to,this payment is just to help them NOW,they will get more as and when it is needed.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,people don't listen or don't want to,this payment is just to help them NOW,they will get more as and when it is needed.

Whatever it takes are the words your looking for.

[arista]

"£5,500 for the loss of everything they owned?? That's more of an insult than a gesture to be ****ing frank . "

No its just a Start payment, TS
better than nothing

[Kizzy]

The body count has been raised

Grenfell Tower fire: police raise death toll to 79
Metropolitan police say five people have been formally identified as having died in tower block blaze, and 74 are missing presumed dead

I am really confused there were 120 flats over 24 floors that equates to say 550 residents ... 79 are dead, 74 taken to hospital and 74 missing... Where is everyone else then? :/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-79-police-say

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/14/where-...there-6707624/

[y.winter]

79 confirmed now.
It takes way too long.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I hate saying this but the evidemce i have seen and gathered is.pointing to poor fire fighting and the reactions needed.

Well, the advice that the firefighters gave would be the correct advice in a block of apartments that were up to standard. Look at the photos that Arista posted and see how fast that went up, no fire fighters could stop that, the problem was clearly the building being totally sub standard health and safety wise

[Tom4784]

The company that owns that building and the government agency that okayed it despite not being up to scratch when it comes to Health and Safety are to blame.

[Kizzy]

Of course, and the wringing of hands in fear that we offend the government sickens me, a deathtrap encased in solid gold is still a deathtrap, they sanctioned that and they are accountable.
Time for the era of the teflon tory to END keep the pressure ON!

[Northern Monkey]

Absolutely awful.You can't imagine the terror being that high up and trapped in by flames with smoke suffocating you.
The speed and scale of the fire too was insane.

Heads need to roll for this.It must be criminal neglect at a minimum.Specially with illegal dangerous materials being used in the refurb.
Any other blocks in the country with this stuff on needs removing immediately,So what if they don't look pretty.
Also full fire safety checks need to be carried out on every tower block and i would imagine alot of money will need to be spent.No amount should be too much for people's safety.It's the bare minimum they deserve.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course, and the wringing of hands in fear that we offend the government sickens me, a deathtrap encased in solid gold is still a deathtrap, they sanctioned that and they are accountable.
Time for the era of the teflon tory to END keep the pressure ON!

Who is wringing their hands? not seen one post in this thread defending the use of illegal cladding on this block or protecting the government, what we need to know before we start the finger pointing is why it was signed off by the council, was it a massive backhander to building regs, was it a scam by the contractor who invoiced for the non flammable and put the flammable version up, or was it down to cost cutting, though if as has been suggested that the cladding is banned for use in buildings over a certain height that would seem not to be the case, unless you can answer these questions Kizzy like the rest of the country we will have to wait and see

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Who is wringing their hands? not seen one post in this thread defending the use of illegal cladding on this block or protecting the government, what we need to know before we start the finger pointing is why it was signed off by the council, was it a massive backhander to building regs, was it a scam by the contractor who invoiced for the non flammable and put the flammable version up, or was it down to cost cutting, though if as has been suggested that the cladding is banned for use in buildings over a certain height that would seem not to be the case, unless you can answer these questions Kizzy like the rest of the country we will have to wait and see

Really?... I see many apologists, may couldn't have seen the victims, it wasn't SAFE :/ the little old queen went! So that's rubbish.

The govt are culpable they facilitated the council in hiring these cowboys by scaling back on regulations and failing to implement recommendations from failures in the past..Why? MONEY, they were stockpiling millions claiming that improvements were being made cutting corners and gerry building so they could have their £274 million nest egg... Only Kensington lost it's conservative seat didn't it so that was exposed.