[user104658]

Also the part about pound signs is quite hilarious irony... Surely anyone who is right leaning believes that EVERYONE should vote for the party that gives them as individuals the most economically?

Or do you believe that people should change their vote in order to get what's best for everyone and the country as a whole rather than just for themselves?

Because... Heh... That would make you a socialist

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also the part about pound signs is quite hilarious irony... Surely anyone who is right leaning believes that EVERYONE should vote for the party that gives them as individuals the most economically?

Or do you believe that people should change their vote in order to get what's best for everyone and the country as a whole rather than just for themselves?

Because... Heh... That would make you a socialist

Everyone thinks of their own and their family's circumstances first when they vote - to say otherwise is laughable. At least some are more honest about that than others.

The youngsters are thinking about uni fees, hourly pay rates and more money in their pockets fullstop - but some are trying to dress it up as caring about everyone else. Most youngsters think in the here and now. The future seems a lifetime away, except perhaps when thinking about free uni fees that will make them more money in the future. It's always about money.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Everyone thinks of their own and their family's circumstances first when they vote - to say otherwise is laughable. At least some are more honest about that than others.

The youngsters are thinking about uni fees, hourly pay rates and more money in their pockets fullstop - but some are trying to dress it up as caring about everyone else. Most youngsters think in the here and now. The future seems a lifetime away, except perhaps when thinking about free uni fees that will make them more money in the future. It's always about money.

If everyone thinks of themselves and their family first... Why do you label it "greed" when it goes against your own voting, but not otherwise?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If everyone thinks of themselves and their family first... Why do you label it "greed" when it goes against your own voting, but not otherwise?

Because many won't admit it - they pretend/convince themselves it's about what's best for the country, not themselves. Maybe they manage to convince themselves it's both - but most would not vote for the country's interests over their own. Young people are innately selfish - we've all been there.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Because many won't admit it - they pretend/convince themselves it's about what's best for the country, not themselves. Maybe they manage to convince themselves it's both - but most would not vote for the country's interests over their own. Young people are innately selfish - we've all been there.

But in what way does "not admitting it" make it more greedy than anyone else voting in their best interests? And you just said that EVERYONE votes in their own interests. So is everyone greedy?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But in what way does "not admitting it" make it more greedy than anyone else voting in their best interests? And you just said that EVERYONE votes in their own interests. So is everyone greedy?

Why are you refusing to answer me Brillo, das very rude

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why are you refusing to answer me Brillo, das very rude

Maybe everyone is selfish to some degree - but youngsters have a much narrower field of vision in my experience.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Because many won't admit it - they pretend/convince themselves it's about what's best for the country, not themselves. Maybe they manage to convince themselves it's both - but most would not vote for the country's interests over their own. Young people are innately selfish - we've all been there.

Only young people? I would say people in general to be honest.

So much prejudice against youngsters when it comes to election talks.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Only young people? I would say people in general to be honest.

So much prejudice against youngsters when it comes to election talks.

Older people hate young people, especially the age group that are the majority that vote in General Elections.

Just to clarify I don't mean all older people, just some.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Everyone thinks of their own and their family's circumstances first when they vote - to say otherwise is laughable. At least some are more honest about that than others.

Its just not so. We will be financially worse off under a Labour government that we are now.

The youngsters are thinking about uni fees, hourly pay rates and more money in their pockets fullstop - but some are trying to dress it up as caring about everyone else. Most youngsters think in the here and now. The future seems a lifetime away, except perhaps when thinking about free uni fees that will make them more money in the future. It's always about money.

When you were a youngster, didn't you think about hourly pay rates and more money in your pocket full stop?
I would love my kids to have free uni/further ed fees as I did. Lucky me, that I wasn't burdened with having to pay back my education! why shouldn't they expect the same?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its just not so. We will be financially worse off under a Labour government that we are now.



When you were a youngster, didn't you think about hourly pay rates and more money in your pocket full stop?
I would love my kids to have free uni/further ed fees as I did. Lucky me, that I wasn't burdened with having to pay back my education! why shouldn't they expect the same?

Idealistically it shouldn't be a problem, but realistically it is. If the economy wasn't in such a crisis then maybe everything could be free but the world is changing with an ever increasing population and a much larger proportion of young people going to university than ever before making that more and more unattainable.

Services such as the NHS, social care and junior and secondary education should get priority as they benefit everyone. Free uni fees mainly benefit the individual who will likely have a much higher earning potential and thus better lifestyle in the future.

That is a choice I believe comes under the remit of personal responsibility and should be personally financed not state funded. As long as there is a good and fair loan system in place that enables everyone who achieves the grades to go to uni then I think that is a fair system for all. No one has the right to expect a free state funded uni education anymore.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Idealistically it shouldn't be a problem, but realistically it is. If the economy wasn't in such a crisis then maybe everything could be free but the world is changing with an ever increasing population and a much larger proportion of young people going to university than ever before making that more and more unattainable.

The country is in crisis because of this pinch towards austerity and lack of government spending in the right departments. Education is an investment because it guarantees a return. It will cost the government nothing to give us free further education and guarantee professions who pay a higher percentage of tax in the future.

Services such as the NHS, social care and junior and secondary education should get priority as they benefit everyone. Free uni fees mainly benefit the individual who will likely have a much higher earning potential and thus better lifestyle in the future.

The NHS and social care are totally different business models and something entirely separate from free further ed and junior and secondary ed. Junior and secondary ed are, like further ed, investments and so saying we should think about social care and the NHS before education doesn't make any sense.

That is a choice I believe comes under the remit of personal responsibility and should be personally financed not state funded. As long as there is a good and fair loan system in place that enables everyone who achieves the grades to go to uni then I think that is a fair system for all. No one has the right to expect a free state funded uni education anymore.

If you are French, German, Norwegian, Swedish, Finish, Austrian, Argentinian or Indian native, you will either have free further ed or pay very small fees for your education. If they can do it, why can't we? How many students are we presently losing to these low cost nations? Many of them won't be returning to the UK at the end of their studies and that affects our future numbers in high tax bracket earners.