[user104658]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But in what way does "not admitting it" make it more greedy than anyone else voting in their best interests? And you just said that EVERYONE votes in their own interests. So is everyone greedy?

Why are you refusing to answer me Brillo, das very rude

[DemolitionRed]

Just watched the BBC coverage at the Glastonbury Festival and the crowd sung "Oh Jeremy Corbyn"

Youtube video

Today, Corbyn is going on stage at Glastonbury but I am not worried for his safety. When he faced a massive crowd of Libertines Fans a few weeks ago and they loved him.

LFC fans have our own song for him too.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why are you refusing to answer me Brillo, das very rude

Maybe everyone is selfish to some degree - but youngsters have a much narrower field of vision in my experience.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Idealistically it shouldn't be a problem, but realistically it is. If the economy wasn't in such a crisis then maybe everything could be free but the world is changing with an ever increasing population and a much larger proportion of young people going to university than ever before making that more and more unattainable.

The country is in crisis because of this pinch towards austerity and lack of government spending in the right departments. Education is an investment because it guarantees a return. It will cost the government nothing to give us free further education and guarantee professions who pay a higher percentage of tax in the future.

Services such as the NHS, social care and junior and secondary education should get priority as they benefit everyone. Free uni fees mainly benefit the individual who will likely have a much higher earning potential and thus better lifestyle in the future.

The NHS and social care are totally different business models and something entirely separate from free further ed and junior and secondary ed. Junior and secondary ed are, like further ed, investments and so saying we should think about social care and the NHS before education doesn't make any sense.

That is a choice I believe comes under the remit of personal responsibility and should be personally financed not state funded. As long as there is a good and fair loan system in place that enables everyone who achieves the grades to go to uni then I think that is a fair system for all. No one has the right to expect a free state funded uni education anymore.

If you are French, German, Norwegian, Swedish, Finish, Austrian, Argentinian or Indian native, you will either have free further ed or pay very small fees for your education. If they can do it, why can't we? How many students are we presently losing to these low cost nations? Many of them won't be returning to the UK at the end of their studies and that affects our future numbers in high tax bracket earners.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe everyone is selfish to some degree - but youngsters have a much narrower field of vision in my experience.

I'd say it's quite the opporsite.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'd say it's quite the opporsite.

I don't know how old you are but if you're past 30 you must remember what most youngsters were like when you were Yong and how most grow up and cringe at some of the things they did and said when young and foolish.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't know how old you are but if you're past 30 you must remember what most youngsters were like when you were Yong and how most grow up and cringe at some of the things they did and said when young and foolish.

I'm 21, and I've got to be honest whilst I suffer from being selfish, I don't think that I've ever came up with ideas that could potentially wreck this country like some of the older voters were doing when they was worshipping Farage all because he spoke for them and only them.

Tbh it's why the Tories get in is because older people don't give a **** how the young in particular get treated, and then the older generations wonder why the younger generations are gravitating towards Corbyn, of course alot of what Corbyn says is more than likely bull****, but he is the only one to promise the younger generations a better future for all and not just their vote base.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe everyone is selfish to some degree - but youngsters have a much narrower field of vision in my experience.

You want the truth?... Ask the youth

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm 21, and I've got to be honest whilst I suffer from being selfish, I don't think that I've ever came up with ideas that could potentially wreck this country like some of the older voters were doing when they was worshipping Farage all because he spoke for them and only them.

Tbh it's why the Tories get in is because older people don't give a **** how the young in particular get treated, and then the older generations wonder why the younger generations are gravitating towards Corbyn, of course alot of what Corbyn says is more than likely bull****, but he is the only one to promise the younger generations a better future for all and not just their vote base.

Wise words mock.

For too long the young have been ignored whilst the pensioners and baby boomers are catered to. Who cares about the young, they don't bother to vote anyway, can't be arsed to get out of bed. Who cares if the youngsters are treat like crap, if their schools are closing and such. The older generations tend to own houses (wages today cannot buy a house for most people) and have pensions (todays young will be lucky to have a pension at all). They had free education and all of the stuff that they now despise the young for wanting. Older generations tend to be a lot more wealthy than youngsters through years of having steady employment (something thats rarer now) and the option to save...where wages today do not allow for savings, so many live hand to mouth and are one paycheck away from homelessness. What exactly is wrong with younger people wanting the opportunity to own their own house rather than rent all of their lives? Whats wrong with a bit of hope for a decent wage...afterall poor people are only poor as they don't want to be rich, isn't that the case?

Corbyn listens to the younger generation. He respects them. He takes the time to talk to them. He does not ignore them in favour or throwing more perks at pensioners to retain the grey vote. And younger people respond to finally being noticed...being noticed as more than just drains on society who all have asbos and don't want to work or better themselves. Then they are in the wrong for voting for the person who actually seems to care? They are gullible and naive and being manipulated? FFS these are the people who will be paying your pensions whilst being unable to ever have one themselves. They will be the people staffing the carehomes, hospitals, looking after you as you age. They quite literally are the future. A bit of respect wouldn't go amiss. The contempt for younger people is absolutely astounding. Hatred for the generation that you actually raised. Its bizarre.

I do agree some of Corbyns policies are pretty unrealistic or unneeded. But who can blame the younger generation for wanting to have the same opportunities in life as their parents got? Really?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You want the truth?... Ask the youth

Ask a 5 year-old and you'll get the truth, their truth, most likely what someone they idealised told them - i.e. Santa will bring them presents at Christmas if they are good. I can see the resemblance.

[Vicky.]

Sorry my last post may have went a bit OTT. I am extremely riled at the min as I am arguing with some complete twat on facebook who is trying to tell me that pensioners and such vote for the good of the country, while young people are just selfish and want things that they should work for like older people did...and that they are all just lazy bastards who are 'happy on minimum wage' as this means they can collect benefits on top of working and none of them have any ambition as ambition is all you need to have a high wage and a nice house ffs. I actually cannot believe people genuinely hold views like this.

I don't think I even count as one of 'the young' but I feel very defensive when people go on about them as if they are ****ing toddlers or something. My brother is one of these 'selfish young people'. He is already paying for uni so he wouldn't benefit from that. He probably knows more about politics than most older people tbh. He certainly puts me in my place sometimes. The thought of people hating him for voting labour and assuming he was just stupid and easily led annoys the **** out of me when he is certainly more informed than the daily mail brigade who always seem to reckon they are more informed than anyone else who tend to be the main ones who are levelling abuse at the young for daring to vote for a party that seems more focused on people than profit.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ask a 5 year-old and you'll get the truth, their truth, most likely what someone they idealised told them - i.e. Santa will bring them presents at Christmas if they are good. I can see the resemblance.

So because the under 40s don't think like they they are tantamount to 5yr olds.... :/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

More the case that the youth, the majority of which apparently want to remain, are backing a man that wants a hard Brexit. What part of that don't they understand.

The pound signs in their eyes have coloured their judgement. Either that or they are too naive/stupid to connect the dots.

I suppose it makes as much sense as people who want a hard brexit supporting a Theresa May led government which has a history on u-turning on decisions and promises.