[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-betray-brexit

Some good points raised in this article.

[user104658]

Indeed... Hard Brexit really is an act of extreme economic self-harm. I'm glad to see that you've realised this Brillo, maybe not all hope is lost for you.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed... Hard Brexit really is an act of extreme economic self-harm. I'm glad to see that you've realised this Brillo, maybe not all hope is lost for you.

More the case that the youth, the majority of which apparently want to remain, are backing a man that wants a hard Brexit. What part of that don't they understand.

The pound signs in their eyes have coloured their judgement. Either that or they are too naive/stupid to connect the dots.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

More the case that the youth, the majority of which apparently want to remain, are backing a man that wants a hard Brexit. What part of that don't they understand.

The pound signs in their eyes have coloured their judgement. Either that or they are too naive/stupid to connect the dots.

Or they aren't voting because of Brexit. There are many other issues. If 'the youth' were voting against Brexit, they would have voted Lib Dem. They were the only real 'anti-Brexit' option.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Or they aren't voting because of Brexit. There are many other issues. If 'the youth' were voting against Brexit, they would have voted Lib Dem. They were the only real 'anti-Brexit' option.

Ł signs then. Let's hope their eyes are not too big for their bellies.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

More the case that the youth, the majority of which apparently want to remain, are backing a man that wants a hard Brexit. What part of that don't they understand.

The pound signs in their eyes have coloured their judgement. Either that or they are too naive/stupid to connect the dots.

But May is also pushing for a hard Brexit so what choice do they really have there? Are you suggesting that, as both party leaders want a hard Brexit, anyone who doesn't should simply abstain from voting? They surely have to still go with the party that best represents their own interests otherwise.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ł signs then. Let's hope their eyes are not too big for their bellies.

The only choices are 'Ł signs' or Brexit?

[user104658]

Also the part about pound signs is quite hilarious irony... Surely anyone who is right leaning believes that EVERYONE should vote for the party that gives them as individuals the most economically?

Or do you believe that people should change their vote in order to get what's best for everyone and the country as a whole rather than just for themselves?

Because... Heh... That would make you a socialist

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But May is also pushing for a hard Brexit so what choice do they really have there? Are you suggesting that, as both party leaders want a hard Brexit, anyone who doesn't should simply abstain from voting? They surely have to still go with the party that best represents their own interests otherwise.

I would have thought the lib dems would have been a better option.

For heaven's sake Brexit is much bigger than a general election and, if they believe all the hype about the hazards of leaving the EU as it seems most do, then they would be prioritising it over an election that can easily be changed in four years.

All the evidence suggests either greed or naivety/stupidity,

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also the part about pound signs is quite hilarious irony... Surely anyone who is right leaning believes that EVERYONE should vote for the party that gives them as individuals the most economically?

Or do you believe that people should change their vote in order to get what's best for everyone and the country as a whole rather than just for themselves?

Because... Heh... That would make you a socialist

Everyone thinks of their own and their family's circumstances first when they vote - to say otherwise is laughable. At least some are more honest about that than others.

The youngsters are thinking about uni fees, hourly pay rates and more money in their pockets fullstop - but some are trying to dress it up as caring about everyone else. Most youngsters think in the here and now. The future seems a lifetime away, except perhaps when thinking about free uni fees that will make them more money in the future. It's always about money.

[Withano]

Corbyn was always a eurosceptic, May was always pro-EU. No remainer voted Labour because of Corbyn, no leaver voted Tories because of May. What a warped stance you've put yourself in there.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Everyone thinks of their own and their family's circumstances first when they vote - to say otherwise is laughable. At least some are more honest about that than others.

The youngsters are thinking about uni fees, hourly pay rates and more money in their pockets fullstop - but some are trying to dress it up as caring about everyone else. Most youngsters think in the here and now. The future seems a lifetime away, except perhaps when thinking about free uni fees that will make them more money in the future. It's always about money.

If everyone thinks of themselves and their family first... Why do you label it "greed" when it goes against your own voting, but not otherwise?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If everyone thinks of themselves and their family first... Why do you label it "greed" when it goes against your own voting, but not otherwise?

Because many won't admit it - they pretend/convince themselves it's about what's best for the country, not themselves. Maybe they manage to convince themselves it's both - but most would not vote for the country's interests over their own. Young people are innately selfish - we've all been there.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Because many won't admit it - they pretend/convince themselves it's about what's best for the country, not themselves. Maybe they manage to convince themselves it's both - but most would not vote for the country's interests over their own. Young people are innately selfish - we've all been there.

But in what way does "not admitting it" make it more greedy than anyone else voting in their best interests? And you just said that EVERYONE votes in their own interests. So is everyone greedy?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Because many won't admit it - they pretend/convince themselves it's about what's best for the country, not themselves. Maybe they manage to convince themselves it's both - but most would not vote for the country's interests over their own. Young people are innately selfish - we've all been there.

Only young people? I would say people in general to be honest.

So much prejudice against youngsters when it comes to election talks.

[Kizzy]

Betraying them? The voters wanted brexit didn't they?... Talk about damned if you do damned if you dont :/

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Betraying them? The voters wanted brexit didn't they?... Talk about damned if you do damned if you dont :/

This is young people.

Don't vote. Lazy and can't be arsed to get out of bed.
Do vote. Greedy, naive and gullible.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Betraying them? The voters wanted brexit didn't they?... Talk about damned if you do damned if you dont :/

What - most youngsters didn't! Yet they fawn over The JC virus who wants a hard Brexit.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What - most youngsters didn't! Yet they fawn over The JC virus who wants a hard Brexit.

If Brexit is the most important thing in the vote for everyone and should be focused on more than anything as it seems you were saying earlier in the thread..why so much hate for JC who, as you say 'wants a hard Brexit'?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If Brexit is the most important thing in the vote for everyone and should be focused on more than anything as it seems you were saying earlier in the thread..why so much hate for JC who, as you say 'wants a hard Brexit'?

Because he will destroy our country economically, PC it to death and open the floodgates for migration. Not much of a future to look forward to.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Because he will destroy our country economically, PC it to death and open the floodgates for migration. Not much of a future to look forward to.

I'm no Corbyn fan but Labour did put an end to freedom of movement in their manifesto which also implies not being a full member of the single market as they go hand in hand.The immigration thing I don't think will be much different whoever is in government tbh.Both parties will still take in immigrants as needed from within and outside the EU.I think it will fall but nowhere near Camerons pledge of 100k.That is unachievable.Even non EU immigration is way above that.

For me there were two evils in the election.Labour being the lesser of them.Great manifesto with terrible leadership compared with imo a Tory party with terrible policies and a terrible leadership.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What - most youngsters didn't! Yet they fawn over The JC virus who wants a hard Brexit.

He wants what the electorate wants and what you want, I thought you would be pleased? They have trust that he will deliver a fair responsible brexit unlike may.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Only young people? I would say people in general to be honest.

So much prejudice against youngsters when it comes to election talks.

Older people hate young people, especially the age group that are the majority that vote in General Elections.

Just to clarify I don't mean all older people, just some.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Everyone thinks of their own and their family's circumstances first when they vote - to say otherwise is laughable. At least some are more honest about that than others.

Its just not so. We will be financially worse off under a Labour government that we are now.

The youngsters are thinking about uni fees, hourly pay rates and more money in their pockets fullstop - but some are trying to dress it up as caring about everyone else. Most youngsters think in the here and now. The future seems a lifetime away, except perhaps when thinking about free uni fees that will make them more money in the future. It's always about money.

When you were a youngster, didn't you think about hourly pay rates and more money in your pocket full stop?
I would love my kids to have free uni/further ed fees as I did. Lucky me, that I wasn't burdened with having to pay back my education! why shouldn't they expect the same?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its just not so. We will be financially worse off under a Labour government that we are now.



When you were a youngster, didn't you think about hourly pay rates and more money in your pocket full stop?
I would love my kids to have free uni/further ed fees as I did. Lucky me, that I wasn't burdened with having to pay back my education! why shouldn't they expect the same?

Idealistically it shouldn't be a problem, but realistically it is. If the economy wasn't in such a crisis then maybe everything could be free but the world is changing with an ever increasing population and a much larger proportion of young people going to university than ever before making that more and more unattainable.

Services such as the NHS, social care and junior and secondary education should get priority as they benefit everyone. Free uni fees mainly benefit the individual who will likely have a much higher earning potential and thus better lifestyle in the future.

That is a choice I believe comes under the remit of personal responsibility and should be personally financed not state funded. As long as there is a good and fair loan system in place that enables everyone who achieves the grades to go to uni then I think that is a fair system for all. No one has the right to expect a free state funded uni education anymore.