[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Lone wolf is a funny way to spell terrorist

This.

And I'm sorry but the BBC, Farage, or whoever you want to mention shouldn't be held responsible for Terrorist actions that they didn't commit, so LT yes you're right that JK Rowling is wrong, but this thread is also wrong.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by James

I think social media is the main thing that drives radicalisation. More than any media organisation or personality.

Have you researched to find out, what you think, is true?

Or are you just having a wild stab in the dark?

[lime]

The DUP founder ..Rev Ian Paisley..most likely was the biggest hate preacher in Europe ..and some folk still fawn over him...As vicious as he was...I could never blame hm for the actions of those that murdered innocents

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Because you say so! Of course she was!

Muslim extremists are the real purveyors of hate - they hate everyone.

No, it's because he does. Just because Immigrants or foreigners are a statistic rather than Human beings to him, it doesn't change the fact that he pushes and promotes hatred towards them.

Of course, it's probably only spreading hate if it's a brown man with a beard yelling in a foreign language right?

[James]

Originally Posted by Alf

Have you researched to find out, what you think, is true?

Or are you just having a wild stab in the dark?

My opinion based on what I see online and read.

[Crimson Dynamo]

By the definition or terrorist, and lets face it - what else have you got

this lone wolf was no terrorist, even though it obviously would help f he is so we can say "see its not just Islam its EVERYBODY"

[MB.]

"A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"

The guy's a terrorist

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MB.

"A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"

The guy's a terrorist

And a guy who uses unlawful and pre-meditated violence against a specific race or religion for political reasons is a terrorist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MB.

"A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"

The guy's a terrorist

correct and what political aims did this alki welshman have?

because last time I looked getting angry at a BBC documentary isnt one

[MB.]

I'm keen to know what part of "driving a van into a crowd of civilians whilst shouting about how you want to kill Muslims" you're so keen to excuse (the latter part about wanting to get rid of Muslims, much as ISIS want to get rid of whoever they deem to be "non-believers" aka everyone but ISIS, seeming rather like a political and/or religious aim)

[Tom4784]

I'd say he was radicalised by right wing media like the Mail that makes millions from sowing seeds of hatred and fear, to suggest he watched a TV show and decided to attempt mass murder is both insulting and offensive. The article is nothing more but one of the key offenders in inciting hatred trying to pass the buck.

If islamic extremists are to blame for creating and radicalising muslim terrorists then it only makes sense that Right Wing media can be held responsible for radicalising Right Wing terrorists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd say he was radicalised by right wing media like the Mail that makes millions from sowing seeds of hatred and fear, to suggest he watched a TV show and decided to attempt mass murder is both insulting and offensive. The article is nothing more but one of the key offenders in inciting hatred trying to pass the buck.

If islamic extremists are to blame for creating and radicalising muslim terrorists then it only makes sense that Right Wing media can be held responsible for radicalising Right Wing terrorists.

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

That's nice.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

The DM creates terrorists now!

Nothing to do the ideology and warped mindsets of those that buy into control and murder via religion - just blame the Daily Mail.

I really have heard it all now.

[jaxie]

As I always understood it a terrorist was someone who committed atrosities in the name of some sort of political or religious organisation.

Is this guy affiliated with some organisation, like does he have links to the EDL or something? Or is he a lone racist loony trying to commit mass murder? If groups like EDL start to buy into this form of terrorism we are going to find ourselves in the middle of a war zone pretty fast.

[MB.]

It doesn't necessarily have to be in the name of an organisation afaik - just an ideology

[Tom4784]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

The show he watched was the straw that broke the camel's back and set him off on a violent path. He almost certainly had a certain preconditioned mindset for a long time before that, though, and that comes from our lovely great British tabloids.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The show he watched was the straw that broke the camel's back and set him off on a violent path. He almost certainly had a certain preconditioned mindset for a long time before that, though, and that comes from our lovely great British tabloids.

Nothing to do we all the ISIS terror attacks then - couldn't possibly be that.

[DemolitionRed]

The man who died in the Seven Sisters Road attack by Darren Osborne has been named as Makram Ali. Many tributes have been paid to him as a gentle and peace-loving grandfather.

At 51 he was not as old as the original impression given. Though he had been fitted with a pacemaker, it seems the cause of his collapse shortly before the attack was a known weakness in one of his legs, not a heart attack or anything of that sort. He was pronounced dead at the scene after being crushed by the van whilst on the ground receiving first aid for his leg problem.

Seven people are still in hospital, three of them critically ill. One of them is a mother of three children who is in a coma.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Nothing to do we all the ISIS terror attacks then - couldn't possibly be that.

Are you saying that you believe he was provoked / justified?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you saying that you believe he was provoked / justified?

No - but it seems obvious that all the attacks recently might push some people, whatever their issues, over the edge.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No - but it seems obvious that all the attacks recently might push some people, whatever their issues, over the edge.

And yet you flat out reject the notion that all of the bombing and death in the middle east might push some middle eastern people over the edge?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And yet you flat out reject the notion that all of the bombing and death in the middle east might push some middle eastern people over the edge?

I think the difference is that it could have been a one-off moment of madness from someone on the edge.

That of course does not justify his actions, but, at this point, unless we discover he has a history of such or similar violent and aggressive behaviours, can't be compared to years and years of pre-planned ISIS terrorism that has claimed hundreds of thousands/millions of lives.