[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

They really are violent tbh, should definitely be out along with Lotan

Name two instances where they've been violent. The only time they've been violent is tonight when they were provoked and even then they were relatively tame compared to everyone else, and they both felt ashamed for their actions.

Meanwhile, Tom and Lotan are kicking and throwing **** whenever they don't get their ways. But funnily enough no one's ever seemed to call them violent

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Name two instances where they've been violent. The only time they've been violent is tonight when they were provoked and even then they were relatively tame compared to everyone else, and they both felt ashamed for their actions.

Meanwhile, Tom and Lotan are kicking and throwing **** whenever they don't get their ways. But funnily enough no one's ever seemed to call them violent

Relatively tame? Deborah literally charged up the stairs to attack Ellie. They were very aggressive tonight, and Hannah has been before (Deborah always came across very level headed until tonight). Enough is enough, if BB don't step in and do the right thing then the public will.

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Relatively tame? Deborah literally charged up the stairs to attack Ellie. They were very aggressive tonight, and Hannah has been before (Deborah always came across very level headed until tonight). Enough is enough, if BB don't step in and do the right thing then the public will.

The public can't when there's two of them up. The vote split means they're unshiftable on VTE and unsavable on VTS.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

The public can't when there's two of them up. The vote split means they're unshiftable on VTE and unsavable on VTS.

Guess we'll have to make do with Chanelle then

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Relatively tame? Deborah literally charged up the stairs to attack Ellie. They were very aggressive tonight, and Hannah has been before (Deborah always came across very level headed until tonight). Enough is enough, if BB don't step in and do the right thing then the public will.

"to attack" um but did she? She ran up the stairs to get close to her to argue. Ellie was egging her on to hit her, Lotan said she was gonna physically and emotionally destroy Isabelle (and he threw his drink and glass on the floor and started hitting the Diary Room walls), and I don't really see how Hannah has been 'aggressive'.

Were they as calm and laid back as Kieran and Raph? No way. Were they advocating violence and acting upon violence like Lotan, Ellie, etc? No. Did they hit anyone? No. Did they feel remorse for getting heated? Yes. Did anyone else? No.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

"to attack" um but did she? She ran up the stairs to get close to her to argue. Ellie was egging her on to hit her, Lotan said she was gonna physically and emotionally destroy Isabelle (and he threw his drink and glass on the floor and started hitting the Diary Room walls), and I don't really see how Hannah has been 'aggressive'.

Were they as calm and laid back as Kieran and Raph? No way. Were they advocating violence and acting upon violence like Lotan, Ellie, etc? No. Did they hit anyone? No. Did they feel remorse for getting heated? Yes. Did anyone else? No.

I'm not defending Lotan or Ellie here. Lotan shouldn't have thrown the water over them and compiling it with past warnings he has had it's a fair decision to remove him, just like it would have been a fair decision to give Chanelle her final warning for storming toward him aggressively in the bedroom the other night, and just like Deborah should have received an ejection for her violent behaviour toward Ellie. Whether Ellie was provoking her or not is irrelevant, as if you are using that as the excuse then you can easily say the exact same thing about Isabelle and Lotan. All 3 of them should have been removed, Chanelle a couple of nights ago, and Lotan and Deborah tonight.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

I'm not defending Lotan or Ellie here. Lotan shouldn't have thrown the water over them and compiling it with past warnings he has had it's a fair decision to remove him, just like it would have been a fair decision to give Chanelle her final warning for storming toward him aggressively in the bedroom the other night, and just like Deborah should have received an ejection for her violent behaviour toward Ellie. Whether Ellie was provoking her or not is irrelevant, as if you are using that as the excuse then you can easily say the exact same thing about Isabelle and Lotan. All 3 of them should have been removed, Chanelle a couple of nights ago, and Lotan and Deborah tonight.

Deborah should've got a warning IMO (maybe she has, we'll find out tomorrow), but no way an ejection. I just don't agree with an ejection when people have stayed in for worse (in this series and in general) and I hold that opinion with Lotan and Kayleigh if they were ejected based on their actions alone.
I'm not saying Deborah should've came to Ellie in that way, but it's how Ellie clearly advocated violence and acted surprised and attacked when Deborah ran to her. Like, Deborah felt bad for how she acted, and Ellie didn't even care that she literally asked to be hit and instead painted herself out to be a victim, saying she felt the most intimidated? What? If Deborah went for her I'd understand but I think provoking her and Deborah running up the stairs to her without acting upon violence put her on a higher ground. I might need to rewatch, but did Deborah actually try and go for her, or did she just run to her? I don't remember either of them going for each other.

I'll go back to my point, which is probably Big Brother's logic. Lotan, TomChanelle and Kayleigh have been aggressive (I really need to rewatch Deb tonight again, but I do not think her actions have been to their levels) but what sets Lotan and Kayleigh apart from everyone is what they said. Kayleigh made very physical threats of violence, as did Lotan. If they were evicted based on their actions then yeah, I'd agree that Chanelle and MAYBE Deb should be ejected, but I just hold a belief that Deborah was calmer and more sincere than quite a few.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Deborah should've got a warning IMO (maybe she has, we'll find out tomorrow), but no way an ejection. I just don't agree with an ejection when people have stayed in for worse (in this series and in general) and I hold that opinion with Lotan and Kayleigh if they were ejected based on their actions alone.
I'm not saying Deborah should've came to Ellie in that way, but it's how Ellie clearly advocated violence and acted surprised and attacked when Deborah ran to her. Like, Deborah felt bad for how she acted, and Ellie didn't even care that she literally asked to be hit and instead painted herself out to be a victim, saying she felt the most intimidated? What? If Deborah went for her I'd understand but I think provoking her and Deborah running up the stairs to her without acting upon violence put her on a higher ground. I might need to rewatch, but did Deborah actually try and go for her, or did she just run to her? I don't remember either of them going for each other.

I'll go back to my point, which is probably Big Brother's logic. Lotan, TomChanelle and Kayleigh have been aggressive (I really need to rewatch Deb tonight again, but I do not think her actions have been to their levels) but what sets Lotan and Kayleigh apart from everyone is what they said. Kayleigh made very physical threats of violence, as did Lotan. If they were evicted based on their actions then yeah, I'd agree that Chanelle and MAYBE Deb should be ejected, but I just hold a belief that Deborah was calmer and more sincere than quite a few.

I don't think there was really the opportunity for either Deborah or Ellie to actually hit one another because of the amount of people inbetween and around them, but from the way she charged up the stairs towards her it was very threatening, and I do believe that if a male housemate ran towards another housemate like that then they absolutely would be ejected (and far more people would be calling for it to happen if it wasn't done).

You're right that we may see some warnings handed out in tomorrow's show. I assumed they'd just show all that tonight as they showed Lotan's removal, but I just watched the facebook clip of them telling the house Lotan is gone and they mentioned about talking to other housemates individually later in the day, so maybe.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

I don't think there was really the opportunity for either Deborah or Ellie to actually hit one another because of the amount of people inbetween and around them, but from the way she charged up the stairs towards her it was very threatening, and I do believe that if a male housemate ran towards another housemate like that then they absolutely would be ejected (and far more people would be calling for it to happen if it wasn't done).

You're right that we may see some warnings handed out in tomorrow's show. I assumed they'd just show all that tonight as they showed Lotan's removal, but I just watched the facebook clip of them telling the house Lotan is gone and they mentioned about talking to other housemates individually later in the day, so maybe.

Hm I would agree with you and I do agree that sometimes there are double standards but Jamie O'Hara did a pretty similar thing in January's CBB without getting ejected. And that's the problem, in both cases, both were restricted, so we're only left wondering what would've happened if they were alone. I'm trying to be impartial because I do stan Deb but based on how she said she wasn't going to fight Ellie and how remorseful she was, I doubt she had it in her to actually hit her. Her and Hannah approach housemates and argue close to their face and I imagine it would've just been like that. Ellie wouldn't have hit her regardless though, that I can say with confidence.

Yeah, I would've imagined they'd have shown them too, but they were pushing it for time tonight, and there will definitely be a lot of warnings in tomorrow's show. Also, Chanelle's warning came in the highlights show following Kayleigh's ejection, so we can only assume they're gonna follow that same type of production.
I just don't see how Deb, Ellie, Tom? and Chanelle couldn't go without a group warning tbh

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

"to attack" um but did she? She ran up the stairs to get close to her to argue. Ellie was egging her on to hit her, Lotan said she was gonna physically and emotionally destroy Isabelle (and he threw his drink and glass on the floor and started hitting the Diary Room walls), and I don't really see how Hannah has been 'aggressive'.

Deborah was literally shouting I'm not going to fight her as well.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Deborah was literally shouting I'm not going to fight her as well.

Oh I forgot about that, thank you!

Like yeah she was confrontational but I don't see how she was any more 'aggressive' than Ellie, who doesn't get labelled aggressive? Regardless, both sisters made themselves look better with the aftermath of it all