[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No,He "don't give a fack"

Yes. Doesn't give a ****, but winds himself up to the point where he is pretty much screaming at the top of his lungs that he doesn't give a ****. So clearly, he does give a ****, he infact gives many ****s

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

After reading the transcript for tonight show i think Joe is deffo bullying Raph. The guy can't even breathe without Joe slagging him off

See, i see this completely the opposite way and see it as raph constantly slagging joe off.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

After reading the transcript for tonight show i think Joe is deffo bullying Raph. The guy can't even breathe without Joe slagging him off

It seems Joe clapped Deborah for admitting she would take the money now if she had the chance because she's had the 'experience but has a family to think of. For some reason when Joe was clapping Raph felt the need to tell Joe she isn't in it for the money. Why he felt the need to tell Joe that I don't know...we will have to watch tonight.
However...if Deborah says she would take the money now if she got the chance...then she is in it for the money..THEY ALL ARE FFS...EVEN RAPH!!...so why did he have to pipe in...?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

See, i see this completely the opposite way and see it as raph constantly slagging joe off.

He is...he is trying to wind him up and get a reaction...and Joe will react.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It seems Joe clapped Deborah for admitting she would take the money now if she had the chance because she's had the 'experience but has a family to think of. For some reason when Joe was clapping Raph felt the need to tell Joe she isn't in it for the money. Why he felt the need to tell Joe that I don't know...we will have to watch tonight.
However...if Deborah says she would take the money now if she got the chance...then she is in it for the money..THEY ALL ARE FFS...EVEN RAPH!!...so why did he have to pipe in...?

Why shouldn't he say what he wants to say? Why is Joe allowed to clap but raph isn't allowed to give his opinion?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He is...he is trying to wind him up and get a reaction...and Joe will react.

I hope it turns a bit nasty.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why shouldn't he say what he wants to say? Why is Joe allowed to clap but raph isn't allowed to give his opinion?

This! Joe told him to shut up only because it was Raph.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

ok honestly, I wouldn't say he's a bully but he is rude and he does pick on Raph sometimes because he sees him as weak i think

Exactly. He knows that Raph doesn't like confrontations and when he's upset he just walks away.

[Binbin]

it's all about persona really, he tried being the Geezer, and that lasted about 6 minutes. These days he doesn't bother with any branding (?) and he's just the narrow-minded bald man who is, as all bigots are, running away from his gay or effeminate thoughts. Joe needs to start using the revitalising topical tonic for bald buggers 'hair and balance'.

[Mystic Mock]

It's hard to say without Live Feed access, but from what I've seen on the highlights I'd say no.

The closest thing to bullying I've seen in this series was Lotan towards Isabelle.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Binbin

it's all about persona really, he tried being the Geezer, and that lasted about 6 minutes. These days he doesn't bother with any branding (?) and he's just the narrow-minded bald man who is, as all bigots are, running away from his gay or effeminate thoughts. Joe needs to start using the revitalising topical tonic for bald buggers 'hair and balance'.

But he is happy to wear eyeliner and admit to wearing his girlfriends clothes

Hmm. Weird person

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why shouldn't he say what he wants to say? Why is Joe allowed to clap but raph isn't allowed to give his opinion?

It's the problem with Raph and Joe at the moment, they're both criticising each other for stuff that they wouldn't even blink an eyelid at if someone else did or said what they're making out that they're getting offended at.

They just don't like each other and it's reached boiling point, they're both being silly imo, especially as it was Tom who helped cause the divide in week 1 by isolating Raph.

[ThatsMyUserName]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No. Just seems like a rather unpleasant person tbh, not a bully

My thoughts exactly. He'll have his say and as soon as the person starts to speak he cuts them off and says he's not interested. Guess what Joe, I'm not interested in what you have to say !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Is he chuffers like a bully,just because Snake Boy calls him it doesn't make it a fact

[Binbin]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But he is happy to wear eyeliner and admit to wearing his girlfriends clothes

Hmm. Weird person

Let's face it, you don't have to a practicing homosexual to notice that Asian lady-boys are better looking than Susan Boyle.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It seems Joe clapped Deborah for admitting she would take the money now if she had the chance because she's had the 'experience but has a family to think of. For some reason when Joe was clapping Raph felt the need to tell Joe she isn't in it for the money. Why he felt the need to tell Joe that I don't know...we will have to watch tonight.
However...if Deborah says she would take the money now if she got the chance...then she is in it for the money..THEY ALL ARE FFS...EVEN RAPH!!...so why did he have to pipe in...?

Once again Snakey putting his nose in someone else's business, God knows Deborah has got a big enough mouth and ego to answer for herself, Raph just using it as a chance to stab Joe in the back as per usual

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Is he chuffers like a bully,just because Snake Boy calls him it doesn't make it a fact

Raph hasn't called Joe a bully, Rebecca did.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Raph hasn't called Joe a bully, Rebecca did.

This! But no point trying to reason with the people who don't like him. I don't even try.

[sampvt]

Joe and raph talk equal amounts of **** about eachother but sadly Joe is the only bully, I didnt know Raph had a free pass on **** talk.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

This! But no point trying to reason with the people who don't like him. I don't even try.

Rebecca said Raph called joe a bully and she likes raph, so why lie, but its maybe been edited out to protect snake boy.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Raph hasn't called Joe a bully, Rebecca did.

Didnt Rebecca say Raph had complained to BB about Joe bullying him?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why shouldn't he say what he wants to say? Why is Joe allowed to clap but raph isn't allowed to give his opinion?

It was a bizarre comment to make considering Deborah had just made a statement....I guess Joe was clapping her out of respect..nobody questioned her on being in it for the money so why did Raph feel the need to chip in with the comment?If you don't get on with someone and they are not responding to you then why involve yourself..unless you are trying to get a reaction.
Anyway...we will see how it pans out tonight..sometimes how it's described isn't a true reflection...

[Vanessa]

But yes, Rebecca was 100%correct.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Raph hasn't called Joe a bully, Rebecca did.

According to Rebecca ,Snaky went often to the diary room to moan about Joe bullying him

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Didnt Rebecca say Raph had complained to BB about Joe bullying him?

I'm not going off Rebecca's opinions though who hates Joe, and reacted so OTT about Joe's smile comment that you'd have thought that he'd called her a fat ugly ****er.