[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

[2] quite a strong and dumb accusation to throw out there.

It isn't dumb to observe, but it is dumb to just openly dismiss without even paying proper attention to why someone is saying what they're saying.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But they are in her circle,she has done nothing but run the guys down,Ellie and Charlotte, all I've heard is her whinging about something or someone from the other bedroom.

Hm so is Sue a bad housemate for doing this? Where do you stand with Lotan then?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes! Its how I always watch it, and how I choose my winners!

You get the Bears and the Helens who are horrific people, but technically good housemates (Lotan and Sue)
And then theres the Sam Evans, and the Rachel Rices who are lovely people, but shoddy housemates (Charlotte)
But then sometimes, you get your Kates and Nadias who are a brilliant combination of both - thats the aim, Id say Isabelle and Chanelle are the closest to that level.

I see your point, and I agree with most of it.

I would however put Kate under the Sam Evans category of nice but dull.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It isn't dumb to observe, but it is dumb to just openly dismiss without even paying proper attention to why someone is saying what they're saying.

I'm paying attention and it's dumb. You're saying he has a problem with the entire black race just because he doesn't gel with Deborah and Hannah....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I'm paying attention and it's dumb. You're saying he has a problem with the entire black race just because he doesn't gel with Deborah and Hannah....

Black girls aren't the entire black race.

So yes you're not paying attention to the post which is ignorant and dumb.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Black girls aren't the entire black race.

So yes you're not paying attention to the post which is ignorant and dumb.

So now you're changing it to a problem with black women because he doesn't get on with two of them. I forgot Hannah and Deborah represented the entire black woman population.

[Ant.]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

So now you're changing it to a problem with black women because he doesn't get on with two of them. I forgot Hannah and Deborah represented the entire black woman population.

"Tom has issues with black women anyway, hence why he clashes with Hannah alot, and by association Deborah aswell."

My original post about Tom and his issues with the black girls in the house, there's no changing my point, it's just you've not read my post properly and now are being too stubborn to admit that you was wrong.

And yes having issues with three black women in the house is a good indication that Tom and the black women aren't seeing eye to eye.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

"Tom has issues with black women anyway, hence why he clashes with Hannah alot, and by association Deborah aswell."

My original post about Tom and his issues with the black girls in the house, there's no changing my point, it's just you've not read my post properly and now are being too stubborn to admit that you was wrong.

And yes having issues with three black women in the house is a good indication that Tom and the black women aren't seeing eye to eye.

If you can't see how silly accusing a housemate of being racist on no basis other than them not being close to the black housemates it's really not worth arguing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If you can't see how silly accusing a housemate of being racist on no basis other than them not being close to the black housemates it's really not worth arguing.

Now you're just making stuff up, where have I said that his racist? If anything there's more basis for him being sexist than racist.

But keep clutching at straws as you're clearly determined to have an argument tonight.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Now you're just making stuff up, where have I said that his racist? If anything there's more basis for him being sexist than racist.

But keep clutching at straws as you're clearly determined to have an argument tonight.

Not calling him racist but you was the one who highlighted their race in your original point lmao i'm out

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Not calling him racist but you was the one who highlighted their race in your original point lmao i'm out

Because it is important to point out it out as it is interesting that he can't seem to get along with three black girls, but if they put a black guy in the house he'd probably be mates with him, it's fascinating psychology.

But yeah acting like I'm the one being unreasonable when you've been completely out of order isn't really on I'm afraid.

[rusticgal]

Deborah Hannah and Sue have a problem with Joe Tom and Kieron though....would we call them out as having a problem with white men?...No.
Tom doesn't have a problem with Sue and he hasn't had a problem with Deborah or Hannah since fight night...so the comment is uncalled for.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Deborah Hannah and Sue have a problem with Joe Tom and Kieron though....would we call them out as having a problem with white men?...No.
Tom doesn't have a problem with Sue and he hasn't had a problem with Deborah or Hannah since fight night...so the comment is uncalled for.

But I would say that Hannah has had issues with guys that behave in a "laddish" manner, it's a fair point to make without being called dumb and how I'm branding someone as racist by someone who was too stubborn to admit that they hadn't read my posts properly so tried to change the goalposts.

Pointing out facts isn't wrong, even if it's a negative fact.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But I would say that Hannah has had issues with guys that behave in a "laddish" manner, it's a fair point to make without being called dumb and how I'm branding someone as racist by someone who was too stubborn to admit that they hadn't read my posts properly so tried to change the goalposts.

Pointing out facts isn't wrong, even if it's a negative fact.

I read you're post perfectly and now you're trying to back peddle because people disagreed with you. If you don't want people to think you're making it a race issue don't bring race into it, pretty simple.

So now if you want to set the record straight what were you accusing Tom of when you specifically highlighted he has issues with black women?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I read you're post perfectly and now you're trying to back peddle because people disagreed with you. If you don't want people to think you're making it a race issue don't bring race into it, pretty simple.

So now if you want to set the record straight what were you accusing Tom of when you specifically highlighted he has issues with black women?

There's only been you that's disagreed with me Jordan, you was out of order and in the wrong and you're just refusing to accept it.

You thought that I was calling Tom racist when I wasn't, and then you back peddled and tried to make out that Tom has issues with all black women when I pointed out that it was in the house.

And I will bring race into it if Tom is having issues with a subset of the black Housemates in the house (I really shouldn't have to stress this) but I love how you think that people thought that you was in the right over being a rude jackass.

And my original point is that he seems to have an issue with strongminded women, which most of them have been the black girls of the series, but of course you wanted an argument and you got it so well done.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

There's only been you that's disagreed with me Jordan, you was out of order and in the wrong and you're just refusing to accept it.

You thought that I was calling Tom racist when I wasn't, and then you back peddled and tried to make out that Tom has issues with all black women when I pointed out that it was in the house.

And I will bring race into it if Tom is having issues with a subset of the black Housemates in the house (I really shouldn't have to stress this) but I love how you think that people thought that you was in the right over being a rude jackass.

And my original point is that he seems to have an issue with strongminded women, which most of them have been the black girls of the series, but of course you wanted an argument and you got it so well done.

1. Kazanne and rustical also called you up on what you said

2. I'm not back peddling on anything I still think you were implying he is racist towards black women

3. No where in your original post did you mention "strong minded women" you went straight to "black women" so keep lying to yourself

4. It's not really an argument when you're talking to a brick wall

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

1. Kazanne and rustical also called you up on what you said

2. I'm not back peddling on anything I still think you were implying he is racist towards black women

3. No where in your original post did you mention "strong minded women" you went straight to "black women" so keep lying to yourself

4. It's not really an argument when you're talking to a brick wall

1. They was debating with me, not insulting me, so again how's that taking your side?

2. You was back peddling, you was accusing me of calling Tom racist when you firmly knew what I meant, but then this is the troll that attacked everyone on the Forum on another website, so why am I surprised that you're trying to drag people into some petty squabble.

3. You knew what I meant, but you just wanted to jump on the race thing to get a rise out of me, it's worked so well done on that. But of course me pointing out that Tom doesn't like strong willed women happened to be me accusing him of racism right? It's very telling that you jumped straight into the his racist stuff rather than his sexist, which is where my point was going, but very telling from you.

4. If I'm talking to a brick wall then why are you replying?

Instead of being stubborn, actually apologise for calling me dumb for a perfectly fine post, but instead you'll probably try to carry the argument on until one of us gets banned, if not both of us.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

1. They was debating with me, not insulting me, so again how's that taking your side?

2. You was back peddling, you was accusing me of calling Tom racist when you firmly knew what I meant, but then this is the troll that attacked everyone on the Forum on another website, so why am I surprised that you're trying to drag people into some petty squabble.

3. You knew what I meant, but you just wanted to jump on the race thing to get a rise out of me, it's worked so well done on that. But of course me pointing out that Tom doesn't like strong willed women happened to be me accusing him of racism right? It's very telling that you jumped straight into the his racist stuff rather than his sexist, which is where my point was going, but very telling from you.

4. If I'm talking to a brick wall then why are you replying?

Instead of being stubborn, actually apologise for calling me dumb for a perfectly fine post, but instead you'll probably try to carry the argument on until one of us gets banned, if not both of us.

Imagine being this delicate because someone dared disagree with your opinion

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Imagine being this delicate because someone dared disagree with your opinion

Well you don't see me pulling up Kazanne and Rusticgal or anyone else on the Forum, so think about why your post has been the one to get a rise out of me, but then you already know that don't you?

Oh and btw nice back peddling there to it's me being overly sensitive.

[Northern Monkey]

I can't like Sue.All i see her do is kiss arse and moan about people to her friends while slyly glancing up to check the subjects of her bitching aren't listening.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well you don't see me pulling up Kazanne and Rusticgal or anyone else on the Forum, so think about why your post has been the one to get a rise out of me, but then you already know that don't you?

Oh and btw nice back peddling there to it's me being overly sensitive.

You're the one having a tantrum here and getting more personal than I did. I called your accusation dumb, not you (which it still is). I'll make note not to reply to your posts in future if this is how you handle a forum debate

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

You're the one having a tantrum here and getting more personal than I did. I called your accusation dumb, not you (which it still is). I'll make note not to reply to your posts in future if this is how you handle a forum debate

The constant changing the goalposts from you is incredible.

I'm having a tantrum when you was trying to make out that I was using defammation against Tom, I'm sorry but that's not a debate.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The constant changing the goalposts from you is incredible.

I'm having a tantrum when you was trying to make out that I was using defammation against Tom, I'm sorry but that's not a debate.

Well you were, I stand by my point. No goal posts moving here!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Well you were, I stand by my point. No goal posts moving here!

You also tried to bring Kazanne and Rusticgal's posts into it, and how I was throwing tantrums, being overly sensitive, when you had gone around branding your own accusations (oh the irony) and got really insulting about my point all because you was looking for an argument and wouldn't back down when you was in the wrong.

I actually normally quite like you Jordan, but you was out of order here, I posted a perfectly fine post that was up for a normal discussion, and you just wanted to go into insult mode.

I admittedly shouldn't have gone personal back, but I do find it increasingly frustrating when someone knows that they've got the wrong end of the stick and still won't back down.