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Old 09-07-2017, 07:25 AM   #1
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I know it's a good long while now since Charlie Habdo (don't know if that's the right spelling) was murdered because of his cartoons, but yesterday I came across a video on Youtube of a guy called Mark Steyn giving a lecture in Copenhagen called 'The Danish Muhamad cartoon crisis in retrospect'.
Mark Steyn said something that shocked me. He said that when the magazine of Charlies work came out, the police went to British newsagents asking for names and addresses of people who had ordered a copy of this magazine.
It sounds a bit over the top to me, yet Mark Steyn seems to be a respected public speaker.
Does anyone else know more about this?
Is anyone else worried about this?
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:07 AM   #2
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I know it's a good long while now since Charlie Habdo (don't know if that's the right spelling) was murdered because of his cartoons, but yesterday I came across a video on Youtube of a guy called Mark Steyn giving a lecture in Copenhagen called 'The Danish Muhamad cartoon crisis in retrospect'.
Mark Steyn said something that shocked me. He said that when the magazine of Charlies work came out, the police went to British newsagents asking for names and addresses of people who had ordered a copy of this magazine.
It sounds a bit over the top to me, yet Mark Steyn seems to be a respected public speaker.
Does anyone else know more about this?
Is anyone else worried about this?
Don't really know much about this Jenny But if police did indeed attempt to get the names and addresses of people who ordered the magazine I would question the legality of that. That would sound very much like a police state attempting to control peoples' thoughts under pressure by religious leaders and left-wing propaganda.

I did note however that in a case (Mosque of Paris v Val 2007) where a French mosque Took legal proceedings against the magazines chief-editor, Phillips Val, based on three cartoons, one depicting Muhammad carrying a bomb in his turban, he was acquitted with a finding that it was fundamentalists, rather than Muslims, who were being ridiculed in the cartoons. And rightly so. We really can't allow this kind of extreme religious sensitivity dictate how we think and express our thoughts.

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Old 09-07-2017, 09:11 AM   #3
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Mark Steyn is a conspiracy theorist. Next.
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Mark Steyn is a conspiracy theorist. Next.
Plenty of them on here too.
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And you know this how? More information please.
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It seems sort of unlikely that the police went to every newsagents in the UK (of which there are probably tens of thousands...) asking this, without it being absolutely all over social media.
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That seems strange.Not sure if true.I thought Charlie Hebdo was a satire magazine and it did cartoons mocking all religions including Christianity and Judaism aswell as other topics non religion related.It was'nt(or is'nt) just an anti Islam publication as far as i'm aware.
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The only reason I could think of them doing such a thing would be if they thought the mailing lists got in the wrong hands then the people who ordered it could become targets for jihadis.
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Don't really know much about this Jenny But if police did indeed attempt to get the names and addresses of people who ordered the magazine I would question the legality of that. That would sound very much like a police state attempting to control peoples' thoughts under pressure by religious leaders and left-wing propaganda.

I did note however that in a case (Mosque of Paris v Val 2007) where a French mosque Took legal proceedings against the magazines chief-editor, Phillips Val, based on three cartoons, one depicting Muhammad carrying a bomb in his turban, he was acquitted with a finding that it was fundamentalists, rather than Muslims, who were being ridiculed in the cartoons. And rightly so. We really can't allow this kind of extreme religious sensitivity dictate how we think and express our thoughts.
I agree. It's a world gone mad when people can be murdered over a bloody cartoon.
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I agree. It's a world gone mad when people can be murdered over a bloody cartoon.
That's Islamic fundamentalists for you - mad as hatters.
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That's Islamic fundamentalists for you - mad as hatters.
I guess you mean ''Islamist Fundamentalists'' right ?
If you're going to blame them for all the evils of the World at every opportunity at least get the term right.

Poor Charlie...............how 'he' will be missed.

If you're going to be outraged about something then you really should check that the cause of your outrage is, in fact, a real thing and that your facts are, eerrrrr, factual.

It would be difficult for Britain to truly be a 'Police State' any more because of the cuts to Police numbers. A 'Police Village' maybe ?
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I guess you mean ''Islamist Fundamentalists'' right ?
If you're going to blame them for all the evils of the World at every opportunity at least get the term right.

Poor Charlie...............how 'he' will be missed.

If you're going to be outraged about something then you really should check that the cause of your outrage is, in fact, a real thing and that your facts are, eerrrrr, factual.

It would be difficult for Britain to truly be a 'Police State' any more because of the cuts to Police numbers. A 'Police Village' maybe ?
Oh hark at the grammar police. Bit of a stretch to jump on me for that wasn't it. You had to find something I guess!
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