[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by SteveG2688

I agree, he fessed up but didnt like that he got caught in the first place so tried to turn the situation around on Raph and make him look bad for not calling anyone else out for it.

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

Kieran clocked him, Sukhvinder was one of the first to take extra wine and no one complained, Raph was embarrassed that Kieran turned it round on him which is why he didn't shake his hand, it was a can of spiced wine, whatever that is : umm2: it wasn't as if he hoarded 14 cans

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Kieran clocked him, Sukhvinder was one of the first to take extra wine and no one complained, Raph was embarrassed that Kieran turned it round on him which is why he didn't shake his hand, it was a can of spiced wine, whatever that is : umm2: it wasn't as if he hoarded 14 cans

Yes it was petty and aimed at embarrasing Keiran, instead Raph got scalped

[Vanessa]

Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it. He should have just admitted it and it would have ended there. But now, he tried to me Raph look bad. Doesn't matter of others have taken booze as well. Doesn't make what Kieran did right.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it. He should have just admitted it and it would have ended there. But now, he tried to me Raph look bad. Doesn't matter of others have taken booze as well. Doesn't make what Kieran did right.

Kieron didn't try to wriggle out of it...he was pissed off Raph only pulled him up for it. Kieron owned up to it...he didn't deny it or weasel out of it so you are mistaken. Raph made himself look bad...they both said they liked each other but Raph wasn't big enough to shake his hand.
Raph is trying to play Kieron now...antagonise him (because we all now he loves to set people up ...VT) because Kieron is massive competition.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Kieron didn't try to wriggle out of it...he was pissed off Raph only pulled him up for it. Kieron owned up to it...he didn't deny it or weasel out of it so you are mistaken. Raph made himself look bad...they both said they liked each other but Raph wasn't big enough to shake his hand.
Raph is trying to play Kieron now...antagonise him (because we all now he loves to set people up ...VT) because Kieron is massive competition.

Spot on Rusti !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

Tom took some too, if Raph saw Kieron do it he must have seen Tom too as they did it together,but he knew Tom is fiery and would have turned on him (coward) so went for the soft option,but ended up with egg on his face

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

If Raph hasn't seen other people take it then why is he gonna confront them on something that isn't 100% proven.

And yes Raph would go softer on Chanelle as she's his best friend in the house, but anybody would in that case as Raph is Human, we all have a bias.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

They like each other. Raph was only annoyed because Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it and wouldn't admit it.

[Vanessa]

At the end of the show they seemed OK with each other. So I don't think they will fall out. Otherwise I will have to get in there and knock their heads together

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

There is a negative agenda...he sees Kieron as competition. Kept his cool...everyone's mate and great looks for the female vote. Raph sees him as huge competition..

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

There is a negative agenda...he sees Kieron as competition. Kept his cool...everyone's mate and great looks for the female vote. Raph sees him as huge competition..

Can you admit that Kieran is purposely holding in his temper then?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Can you admit that Kieran is purposely holding in his temper then?

No one KNOWS if Kieron is holding his temper other than Kieron...it's merely your assumption.

[SteveG2688]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No one KNOWS if Kieron is holding his temper other than Kieron...it's merely your assumption.

The fact 2 other housemates who know him on the outside have commented on him being a D**k head and not being himself paired with his behaviour and attitude on ex on the beach its pretty clear he is.

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No one KNOWS if Kieron is holding his temper other than Kieron...it's merely your assumption.

Well Kieran actually said himself, "I'm gonna have to go in another room else I'll lose it man" when Tom was getting in a state.

So no, it wasn't all my assumption.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Well Kieran actually said himself, "I'm gonna have to go in another room else I'll lose it man" when Tom was getting in a state.

So no, it wasn't all my assumption.

A bigger man then for taking himself away from the situation...it's called self control and the right thing to do do.
Everyone has the ability to lose it...but if you can take yourself out of the equation then that shows self control.
How many times have you seen others leave the room when things are getting heated...
He won't lose it as you have suggested...because he walks away from it.