[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's hard to simply "accept a public vote" when, for example, you know that some who voted for it believe that we are paying "£350 billion a year in membership fees" when the actual figure is £13 billion... And that's before the benefit from trade is taken into account. .

And you think £13 billion a year (>1bn a month) is nothing to be bothered about. It will be every month, and likely increase, for ever in theory.

There are so many variables, here that most are not aware of, so for any layman to simply state Brexit will be a disaster is not only untrue, because no-one knows, but simple, blatant scaremongering.

There have been predictions based on facts and figures from both sides - but Brexit is what was voted for and until people stop whining and pull together for a decent deal no-one will know.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And you think £13 billion a year (>1bn a month) is nothing to be bothered about. It will be every month, and likely increase, for ever in theory.

There are so many variables, here that most are not aware of, so for any layman to simply state Brexit will be a disaster is not only untrue, because no-one knows, but simple, blatant scaremongering.

There have been predictions based on facts and figures from both sides - but Brexit is what was voted for and until people stop whining and pull together for a decent deal no-one will know.

I didn't say it's nothing to be bothered about but it is a debatable subject (e.g if you believe that membership brings more than 13bn a year into the UK condom in trade to offset that spend). It's a very different figure to 350bn a year which could never be compensated for.

I know you might not think so Brillo but getting your facts and figures at least half way correct is important if you want to be taken seriously. It's impossible to have an actual discussion of the facts when they're so wildly off.

Edit: my phone autocorrected "economy" to "condom" but it made me giggle so I'm not fixing it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't say it's nothing to be bothered about but it is a debatable subject (e.g if you believe that membership brings more than 13bn a year into the UK condom in trade to offset that spend). It's a very different figure to 350bn a year which could never be compensated for.

I know you might not think so Brillo but getting your facts and figures at least half way correct is important if you want to be taken seriously. It's impossible to have an actual discussion of the facts when they're so wildly off.

Edit: my phone autocorrected "economy" to "condom" but it made me giggle so I'm not fixing it.

That was one figure which I was basing on the figure thrown around at Brexit. 13bn is still a fortune and the sentiment still applies.

The autocorrection on here is crap and instead of coming up with suitable possibilities comes up with bizarre unrelated words. Maybe it was a Freudian slip.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That was one figure which I was basing on the figure thrown around at Brexit. 13bn is still a fortune and the sentiment still applies.

The autocorrection on here is crap and instead of coming up with suitable possibilities comes up with bizarre unrelated words. Maybe it read your mind.

I think the figure you're thinking of was the 350 million a week figure (18bn a year) that was talked about in relation to the NHS. Which is closer to the real figure but doesn't factor in the EU money that is spent in the UK (4 or 5 billio, which brings the real fee down to 13bn).

Like I said, beyond that it depends on whether you believe that 13bn is then "money down the drain" or if you believe that membership brings in more than 13bn in trade revenue / other areas, which it almost certainly does. There's no real chance that Brexit will save us money in instant cash terms.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think the figure you're thinking of was the 350 million a week figure (18bn a year) that was talked about in relation to the NHS. Which is closer to the real figure but doesn't factor in the EU money that is spent in the UK (4 or 5 billio, which brings the real fee down to 13bn).

Like I said, beyond that it depends on whether you believe that 13bn is then "money down the drain" or if you believe that membership brings in more than 13bn in trade revenue / other areas, which it almost certainly does. There's no real chance that Brexit will save us money in instant cash terms.

Aternatively we can do our own trade deals - have the profits and the £13bn.