[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Where exactly is the social and economic issue. All those living here have access to free education, free health care and free benefits (where needed) - everyone is equal in that respect.

Those from immigrant families have much more opportunities (especially 2nd/3rd generations) than they would likely have had if born into the countries their parents/grandparents came from. Many do do well. For those that don't there has to be an element of self-responsibility. You can't just keep blaming everything on us - it's a cop-out.

If you want to keep harping on about skin colour - I would like to know how many white gangs there are in comparison to non-white gangs. I think it is obvious there are a lot less white gangs - so how does that make gangs culturally English. That makes no sense.

Only if you delude yourself into thinking that. There's more people reliant on food banks than ever before, the gap between rich and poor has never been bigger and the economy is in a state where the poor are squeezed for every penny they have while the government are happy enough to keep the loopholes that allow the rich to dodge taxes because the Tories don't want to piss on their own shoes.

If you think everything is fine and dandy with the economy and the social issues it creates then you are willfully ignorant and your second paragraph only proves it to be true. Escaping one's circumstances is not easy for most people and the circumstances that they are born into certainly isn't their fault. The fact that you have a 'them and us' attitude says it all really, you wouldn't be saying this about white British people in the same circumstances.

It's hysterical and quite typical of you to think that there aren't that many white gang members. There are plenty of white gangs, as DR said, hooliganism is still massive and most hooligan gangs are mostly white. From personal experience, the only gang members I've ever known have been white, same with drug dealers. Gang culture isn't about race, it's about social and economic issues. Gangs suddenly didn't spring up overnight because of immigration. You are just looking for reasons to justify your racism.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Only if you delude yourself into thinking that. There's more people reliant on food banks than ever before, the gap between rich and poor has never been bigger and the economy is in a state where the poor are squeezed for every penny they have while the government are happy enough to keep the loopholes that allow the rich to dodge taxes because the Tories don't want to piss on their own shoes.

If you think everything is fine and dandy with the economy and the social issues it creates then you are willfully ignorant and your second paragraph only proves it to be true. Escaping one's circumstances is not easy for most people and the circumstances that they are born into certainly isn't their fault. The fact that you have a 'them and us' attitude says it all really, you wouldn't be saying this about white British people in the same circumstances.

It's hysterical and quite typical of you to think that there aren't that many white gang members. There are plenty of white gangs, as DR said, hooliganism is still massive and most hooligan gangs are mostly white. From personal experience, the only gang members I've ever known have been white, same with drug dealers. Gang culture isn't about race, it's about social and economic issues. Gangs suddenly didn't spring up overnight because of immigration. You are just looking for reasons to justify your racism.

I'm clearly not talking about social and economic issues per se but what particular social economic issues 2nd/3rd generation immigrants have over anyone else in Britain. They have the same access to free education as anyone else and therefore have no reason not to develop skills or attain a decent level of education to help improve their chance of getting a job/having a career to help improve their economic position, same as every other working-class child in Britain. More recent migrants get help with free language classes, access to benefits, social housing, healthcare, etc. Britain bends over backwards to help them to help themselves. If they, 2nd/3rd generation immigrants as well as more recent migrants, choose not to make the most of that free education in order to help themselves, the same as the rest of us, then they are responsible for their own situation. What part of that was not clear?

They are still a lot better off here economically than they would have been in the countries they or their parents originally came from, for all the above reasons, but, despite that, many still try to blame Britain for their situation. Britain has given them the same chances as everyone else. There comes a point when people are responsible for their own success - but instead try to blame the country. It's a cop-out.

Did I say gangs sprang up overnight, no. But we have clearly had a bigger problem with gang culture in recent years and most of what we see on the news is related to non-white groups. The recent increase in sex attacks from Asian gangs is a particular worry and demonstrates an unacceptable attitude towards women - there is no denying this has been a big problem all over Europe recently and is directly related to migrants. But of course, due to PC puppets, we can't talk about that so the problem does not get addressed properly. That is racism.

Attempting to give preferential treatment to one group over another by continually making excuses and blaming those that gave them a better chance in the first place also has a part to play in people running out of patience and tolerance.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'm clearly not talking about social and economic issues per se but what particular social economic issues 2nd/3rd generation immigrants have over anyone else in Britain. They have the same access to free education as anyone else and therefore have no reason not to develop skills or attain a decent level of education to help improve their chance of getting a job/having a career to help improve their economic position, same as every other working-class child in Britain. More recent migrants get help with free language classes, access to benefits, social housing, healthcare, etc. Britain bends over backwards to help them to help themselves. If they, 2nd/3rd generation immigrants as well as more recent migrants, choose not to make the most of that free education in order to help themselves, the same as the rest of us, then they are responsible for their own situation. What part of that was not clear?

They are still a lot better off here economically than they would have been in the countries they or their parents originally came from, for all the above reasons, but, despite that, many still try to blame Britain for their situation. Britain has given them the same chances as everyone else. There comes a point when people are responsible for their own success - but instead try to blame the country. It's a cop-out.

Did I say gangs sprang up overnight, no. But we have clearly had a bigger problem with gang culture in recent years and most of what we see on the news is related to non-white groups. The recent increase in sex attacks from Asian gangs is a particular worry and demonstrates an unacceptable attitude towards women - there is no denying this has been a big problem all over Europe recently and is directly related to migrants. But of course, due to PC puppets, we can't talk about that so the problem does not get addressed properly. That is racism.

Attempting to give preferential treatment to one group over another by continually making excuses and blaming those that gave them a better chance in the first place also has a part to play in people running out of patience and tolerance.

You do know that real life isn't like one of those films where a middle class white teacher changes the lives of a bunch of minority students by teaching them about Shakespeare right? You're also really oversimplifying things in order to bash non-white people.

The government is to blame for a rise in gang activity. When the economy is bad crime rates go up, when it's difficult to make a living honestly crime rates go up. In areas with a lot of gang activity it's difficult not to get caught up and dragged into it. I don't think anyone's 'blaming Britain' the government is to blame and if you can't differentiate between the government and Britain itself then that's another worrying issue in itself.

There's a focus on non-white gangs in the media because it riles up people like you who look for reasons to hate on people who aren't white. It's the same reason why Muslim responses against terrorism never get media attention because the media wants to go with the 'Muslims aren't going enough to prevent terrorism' angle because they want to create hysteria against them. Your prejudices are being used against you to suit the media's agenda. It's also funny that you keep banging on about PC when you are one of the most PC members on here but you don't realise it.

Nobody is attempting to give preferential treatment to a certain race, I'm just asking you to open your eyes and realise that the issue of gangs is not a race based issue but you won't do that since you feel the need to justify your hatred rather than accept the fact that you are quite simply racist. I'm talking about gang culture as a whole, I'm acknowledging all it's aspects but you only want to talk about the parts that don't involve white people because the reality of gang culture doesn't reflect the points you are trying to make.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You do know that real life isn't like one of those films where a middle class white teacher changes the lives of a bunch of minority students by teaching them about Shakespeare right? You're also really oversimplifying things in order to bash non-white people.

The government is to blame for a rise in gang activity. When the economy is bad crime rates go up, when it's difficult to make a living honestly crime rates go up. In areas with a lot of gang activity it's difficult not to get caught up and dragged into it. I don't think anyone's 'blaming Britain' the government is to blame and if you can't differentiate between the government and Britain itself then that's another worrying issue in itself.

There's a focus on non-white gangs in the media because it riles up people like you who look for reasons to hate on people who aren't white. It's the same reason why Muslim responses against terrorism never get media attention because the media wants to go with the 'Muslims aren't going enough to prevent terrorism' angle because they want to create hysteria against them. Your prejudices are being used against you to suit the media's agenda. It's also funny that you keep banging on about PC when you are one of the most PC members on here but you don't realise it.

Nobody is attempting to give preferential treatment to a certain race, I'm just asking you to open your eyes and realise that the issue of gangs is not a race based issue but you won't do that since you feel the need to justify your hatred rather than accept the fact that you are quite simply racist. I'm talking about gang culture as a whole, I'm acknowledging all it's aspects but you only want to talk about the parts that don't involve white people because the reality of gang culture doesn't reflect the points you are trying to make.

You know something I'm sick of all that racist garbage. I have a lot of respect for many races including the Japanese, Chinese and many others. What I don't like is religious control freaks and cold blooded murders and in my opinion Islam promotes both those things. I cannot respect people who support or ignore that kind of rhetoric. What has that got to do with skin colour - it is you who is being simplistic and believing any criticism of a religion has to be about race as the majority of people who follow Islam are non-white. Get this it isn't about their skin colour it is about their thought processes and their behaviour.

All religions have a history of brutality but I am talking about today, in the modern world and I have no time for those that refuse to move on or hide behind religion as a way of hiding their prejudices. That is not to say everyone else is perfect, we are all far from it - but very few religions today promote such hate, commit such atrocity and openly promote the murder of so many. I cannot respect anyone who can follow such a religion.

As for the gang thing - According to you if you are struggling it is understandable that some may become part of a gang and commit crime. What kind of crime is accepatable to you then - rape and murder. Crime is increasingly becoming more violent and not just gang on gang , but against innocent victims. Being hard up is never any excuse.

And btw if you think me objecting to PC by pulling you up on and complaining about your own un-PC behaviour and obvious hypocrisy is PC rather than tit for tat then you clearly don't have a clue.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You know something I'm sick of all that racist garbage. I have a lot of respect for many races including the Japanese, Chinese and many others.

you're too much.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You know something I'm sick of all that racist garbage. I have a lot of respect for many races including the Japanese, Chinese and many others. What I don't like is religious control freaks and cold blooded murders and in my opinion Islam promotes both those things.

You can read into my words whatever you like - most of three time you get it wrong anyway. Have fun - you really are not the good judge of character you think you are.

I'll accept your throwing in of the towel.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'll accept your throwing in of the towel.

Believe me if anyone on here could cause me to throw in the towel it wouldn't be you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Believe if anyone on here could cause me to throw in the towel it wouldn't be you.

She says as she throws in the towel and gives up on the debate.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You know something I'm sick of all that racist garbage. I have a lot of respect for many races including the Japanese, Chinese and many others. What I don't like is religious control freaks and cold blooded murders and in my opinion Islam promotes both those things. I cannot respect people who support or ignore that kind of rhetoric. What has that got to do with skin colour - it is you who is being simplistic and believing any criticism of a religion has to be about race as the majority of people who follow Islam are non-white. Get this it isn't about their skin colour it is about their thought processes and their behaviour.

All religions have a history of brutality but I am talking about today, in the modern world and I have no time for those that refuse to move on or hide behind religion as a way of hiding their prejudices. That is not to say everyone else is perfect, we are all far from it - but very few religions today promote such hate, commit such atrocity and openly promote the murder of so many. I cannot respect anyone who can follow such a religion.

As for the gang thing - According to you if you are struggling it is understandable that some may become part of a gang and commit crime. What kind of crime is accepatable to you then - rape and murder. Crime is increasingly becoming more violent and not just gang on gang , but against innocent victims. Being hard up is never any excuse.

And btw if you think me objecting to PC by pulling you up on and complaining about your own un-PC behaviour and obvious hypocrisy is PC rather than tit for tat then you clearly don't have a clue.

Can you remember this topic?

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...ight=detention

You saw a boy with brown skin and some arabic sounding names and you made a bunch of racist assumptions about them based on that. That's nothing to do with disliking Islam, that's to do with seeing a skin colour and making negative connotations based on that skin colour, hence racism.

That thread is proof that to you, brown skin = Islamic extremist.

When have I ever ignored anything regarding terrorism or extremism? I just always make the point of saying that not all islamic people hold the views of extremists while you are basically all like 'ANYONE WITH BROWN SKIN IS AN ENEMY!' because, again, racism. I'm not excusing or ignoring terrorism, I just have the common sense not to tar an entire group of people with the same brush due to the actions of the extreme minority, especially when the Muslim communities of the world regularly oppose islamic terrorism in all it's forms.

As for the gang thing, I think you are losing the godamn plot and how dare you accuse me of thinking that rape and murder is acceptable because I don't share your racist views. I never said that the issues that result in a rise of gang crime justifies it, I said that it is merely a contributing factor for it's prominence. Read posts before you accuse people of justifying rape and murder because you completely misunderstood what I said and that's on you. Accusing someone of justifying acts like that is beyond vile. I expect an apology for your mistake regarding that comment.

You should rethink your last sentence, it doesn't really make much sense.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Can you remember this topic?

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...ight=detention

You saw a boy with brown skin and some arabic sounding names and you made a bunch of racist assumptions about them based on that. That's nothing to do with disliking Islam, that's to do with seeing a skin colour and making negative connotations based on that skin colour, hence racism.

That thread is proof that to you, brown skin = Islamic extremist.

When have I ever ignored anything regarding terrorism or extremism? I just always make the point of saying that not all islamic people hold the views of extremists while you are basically all like 'ANYONE WITH BROWN SKIN IS AN ENEMY!' because, again, racism. I'm not excusing or ignoring terrorism, I just have the common sense not to tar an entire group of people with the same brush due to the actions of the extreme minority, especially when the Muslim communities of the world regularly oppose islamic terrorism in all it's forms.

As for the gang thing, I think you are losing the godamn plot and how dare you accuse me of thinking that rape and murder is acceptable because I don't share your racist views. I never said that the issues that result in a rise of gang crime justifies it, I said that it is merely a contributing factor for it's prominence. Read posts before you accuse people of justifying rape and murder because you completely misunderstood what I said and that's on you. Accusing someone of justifying acts like that is beyond vile. I expect an apology for your mistake regarding that comment.

You should rethink your last sentence, it doesn't really make much sense.

I asked you what crime was accepatable to you and listed rape and murder - because they are the crimes that are increasing and often gang related. You had previously attempted to blame poverty in Britain as a reason for gang crime, thereby excusing and implying poverty, remember we are not living in a third world country, is an understandable reason to commit violent crime. It is not.

As I said in a previous post all young people in Britain have access to good quality education - if they don't value that and don't want to help themselves through education that is on them. If they choose crime and violence - they are accountable for that.

I certainly don't owe you an apology. If anyone owes anyone an apology it is you with all your Racist jibes. You hide behind PC in my opinion in order to justify insulting those whose opinions you disagree with.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You do know that real life isn't like one of those films where a middle class white teacher changes the lives of a bunch of minority students by teaching them about Shakespeare right? You're also really oversimplifying things in order to bash non-white people.

The government is to blame for a rise in gang activity. When the economy is bad crime rates go up, when it's difficult to make a living honestly crime rates go up. In areas with a lot of gang activity it's difficult not to get caught up and dragged into it. I don't think anyone's 'blaming Britain' the government is to blame and if you can't differentiate between the government and Britain itself then that's another worrying issue in itself.

There's a focus on non-white gangs in the media because it riles up people like you who look for reasons to hate on people who aren't white. It's the same reason why Muslim responses against terrorism never get media attention because the media wants to go with the 'Muslims aren't going enough to prevent terrorism' angle because they want to create hysteria against them. Your prejudices are being used against you to suit the media's agenda. It's also funny that you keep banging on about PC when you are one of the most PC members on here but you don't realise it.

Nobody is attempting to give preferential treatment to a certain race, I'm just asking you to open your eyes and realise that the issue of gangs is not a race based issue but you won't do that since you feel the need to justify your hatred rather than accept the fact that you are quite simply racist. I'm talking about gang culture as a whole, I'm acknowledging all it's aspects but you only want to talk about the parts that don't involve white people because the reality of gang culture doesn't reflect the points you are trying to make.

You talk about media propaganda and distortion of truth.... you have learned well.

It suits your agenda, of course, which is anti - government and anti - Brillo. Talk about hysteria! lol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

You talk about media propaganda and distortion of truth.... you have learned well.

It suits your agenda, of course, which is anti - government and anti - Brillo.

Not really, I'm not Anti-Government. I just believe that they should be held accountable for their actions. Gang culture is a result of Social issues brought on by economic problems, problems that have been compounded by the current government's arse backwards ideas for the economy. As for your other claim....Anti-Brillo? I wasn't aware she was a political issue.

The fact that you haven't come up with any counterpoints to anything I said only shows that you can't argue against what I've said. You've posted a worthless post to oppose what I've said without actually saying anything of substance. All you've done is read the 'Brillo Playbook of SD tactics' and have opted for the 'I know you are but what am I' defense by trying to twist things on me but failing to do so since you don't understand the context of what's been said. You just oppose it because I said it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not really, I'm not Anti-Government. I just believe that they should be held accountable for their actions. Gang culture is a result of Social issues brought on by economic problems, problems that have been compounded by the current government's arse backwards ideas for the economy. As for your other claim....Anti-Brillo? I wasn't aware she was a political issue.

The fact that you haven't come up with any counterpoints to anything I said only shows that you can't argue against what I've said. You've posted a worthless post to oppose what I've said without actually saying anything of substance. All you've done is read the 'Brillo Playbook of SD tactics' and have opted for the 'I know you are but what am I' defense by trying to twist things on me but failing to do so since you don't understand the context of what's been said. You just oppose it because I said it.

I think Jet has more than proved on many occasions that he can come up with many counterpoints to your rhetoric and therefore has nothing to prove to anyone.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not really, I'm not Anti-Government. I just believe that they should be held accountable for their actions. Gang culture is a result of Social issues brought on by economic problems, problems that have been compounded by the current government's arse backwards ideas for the economy. As for your other claim....Anti-Brillo? I wasn't aware she was a political issue.

The fact that you haven't come up with any counterpoints to anything I said only shows that you can't argue against what I've said. You've posted a worthless post to oppose what I've said without actually saying anything of substance. All you've done is read the 'Brillo Playbook of SD tactics' and have opted for the 'I know you are but what am I' defense by trying to twist things on me but failing to do so since you don't understand the context of what's been said. You just oppose it because I said it.

I did reply to what you said - the Brillo bashing. It distracted enormously from the rest of your post.
You do know that it is not a requirement that people must respond to your every utterance, don't you?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

I did reply to what you said - the Brillo bashing. It distracted enormously from the rest of your post.
You do know that it is not a requirement that people must respond to your every utterance, don't you?

You made a nothing comment on my 'agenda' with nothing to back it up. If you are going to comment on someone's opinion then at least qualify your own thoughts so the post is actually worth reading.

You just posted the equivalent of 'lol you're wrong xx' which is completely worthless since you haven't explained why you think i'm wrong because you can't otherwise you would have done so. You're being dismissive now because you want to save face and won't allow yourself to admit that you've lost.