[Headie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Are you a racist Hayden? Serious question.


I ask because, you seem obsessed with people being treated a certain way, based solely on the colour of their skin.

No I don't see colour x

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by Hayden

No I don't see colour x

Actually this thread suggests you do.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

Actually this thread suggests you do.

Me? Never!

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Me? Never!

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

THIS is what causes racism

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Glad to see you can back up your argument.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

Glad to see you can back up your argument.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

Yep!People making race an issue is what causes racism

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yep!People making race an issue is what causes racism

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

Well said, at any other time this thread would be 29 pages long with bandwagon jumping but given the blonde white girl they were all supporting just won its a bit awks

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

Well said.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

Not everyone is treated equally in this country though and there's a group called the EDL

But on RTV there's been no equality whatsoever. If they was we would have had a black female winner by now, Saara Aalto would have won x factor (they are comments about she shouldn't be on a british show because she's not british..equality that is not) they are loads of examples

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Not everyone is treated equally in this country though and there's a group called the EDL

But on RTV there's been no equality whatsoever. If they was we would have had a black female winner by now, Saara Aalto would have won x factor (they are comments about she shouldn't be on a british show because she's not british..equality that is not) they are loads of examples

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

Yeah the best singer doesn't always win but when watching the finale they were soooo many comments on social media saying matt to win because he's british, saara shouldn't even be allowed on x factor because she isn't british and then Nicole said "get behind your own" which annoyed a few people and more comments about how she shouldn't win because she isn't british. So it just makes you think

Bbuk hasnt had a black winner for 10 years now and there hasn't been anymore but black females can never get past third. But i do have hope... sandi can win cbb because she is popular like Scarlett and is a favourite already.

Deborah had a great edit near the end which actually did make me think she could win. The final week editing is important look at Helen Wood vile for the rest of her stay but she had some sympathy edit the final week and won. I don't think past actions matters anymore.


I still think Raph would have won if it wasnt for the lotan thing etc he had it in the bag for weeks but isabelle took it.

I wonder if Raph spoke about this to people in the house because he has these type of convos a lot and its really interesting. Deborah and hannah talked about beating the statistics what raph told them.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

Fab post Vicky, agree with all of this.

The failure of females, specifically black females to do well in the show isn't down to sexism and/or racism but the fact that they're more often than not based on unlikable stereotypes. And I think that's a real shame.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

Actually this thread suggests you do.

I Agree ,its all about the colour of a hm8s skin with some folk

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Hayden

No I don't see colour x

Now that's funny

[Cherie]

You won't get much support Hayden as most of usual suspects are supporting Raph and Isabelle which is fine as they felt they were the most entertaining, nothing to do with colour ..sorry

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Hayden

No I don't see colour x