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11-08-2017, 02:18 PM | #26 | ||
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As Niamh said, it would be like assuming all Western white people were Christian. |
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11-08-2017, 02:21 PM | #27 | |||
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it is a problem within the muslim community, when it was a problem in the Catholic community they were called catholic priests, they weren't called priests because there can be priests in any number of religions and Catholics didn't try to excuse them, like the excuses we are hearing from this community.
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11-08-2017, 02:23 PM | #28 | ||
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Hopefully justice will be served and the victims can begin their road to recovery. It's vile how common stories like this are becoming.
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The mention of them being muslim serves no point but to incite hate towards muslims as a whole. |
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11-08-2017, 02:24 PM | #29 | ||
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Unless these men are Imam's(?) it's not really the same comparison. Last edited by Marsh.; 11-08-2017 at 02:24 PM. |
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11-08-2017, 02:27 PM | #30 | |||
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Yes exactly what i was trying to say.
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11-08-2017, 02:39 PM | #31 | |||
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The worrying thing is the excuses being made so rather than identify with the victims these men were complaining about the use of the word muslim and the fact that they girls should have been looked after as they were deemed to be vulnerable and if someone had looked after them better then this issue wouldn't have arisen.
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11-08-2017, 02:44 PM | #32 | |||
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Regarding Catholic Priests, pretty much all the abuse within the church in Ireland was down to Catholic Priests so that's why it's referred as a Catholic priests here anyway, don't know much about it in England tbh
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11-08-2017, 02:54 PM | #33 | |||
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11-08-2017, 02:56 PM | #34 | |||
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11-08-2017, 03:00 PM | #35 | ||
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Might they all be. Muslim? Sure. And I also didn't say you "can't" say it, I said it's not helpful, it's counterproductive, it (quite evidently) deviates the discussion away from the actual incident into "yet more Islam stuff". So the question isn't really "why can people not say that?", it's "why are people so desperate to say it" even when it's distracting and damaging to do so. Like I said, it feels like outrage and indignation are somehow thought to be more moral or valuable than pragmatic solution-seeking. "I don't care if it isn't helpful I am rly mad about this Muslims issue and I want the world to know just how mad!" Why? |
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11-08-2017, 03:07 PM | #36 | ||
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That is what people need to start considering. Are they saying things because they are true and it's helpful to go there... or because they have truth in them and it makes them angry. Even if saying it actually makes the situation worse and leads to more victims, not fewer. To repeat, again, why is everyone (of various opinions) so adamant in insisting that the right to anger / outrage / incredulity is of paramount importance, rather than actually having any interest in real solutions? |
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11-08-2017, 03:10 PM | #37 | ||
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No? I'm utterly confused as to how you can be saying that I'm wrong in one post, and then providing examples of exactly that happening two posts later. |
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11-08-2017, 03:49 PM | #38 | |||
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Cause they dont have much to do with their wives.
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11-08-2017, 03:53 PM | #39 | |||
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11-08-2017, 03:57 PM | #40 | |||
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Oh sure I know Parmnion, there's been so much disgusting stuff un earthed here over the last few years to do with, work houses, mother and baby homes etc all run by the church. No religious organisations should have that much control and power over the poorest and most vulnerable in society imo
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11-08-2017, 04:44 PM | #41 | ||
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11-08-2017, 04:47 PM | #42 | |||
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I didn't say on any of my posts that they were all Muslims though I don't know of many Asian men personally who arent. I said the Muslim faith has worrying attitudes towards women and could be part of the problem. You are reading what you want to in that. If you shirk the problems rather than addressing them they continue. If at some point communities or authorities admit there might be a problem perhaps they can begin to address it through education, keep sweeping it under the carpet and you are basically kicking the victims in the teeth.
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11-08-2017, 04:55 PM | #43 | |||
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11-08-2017, 04:57 PM | #44 | |||
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It's scary that stuff like this is going on in my city
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11-08-2017, 05:01 PM | #45 | ||
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Not Asian, I would rather say Muslim community. You don't have these kinds of sexual abuse problems in the vast majority of other Asian cultures.
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11-08-2017, 05:05 PM | #46 | ||
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11-08-2017, 05:39 PM | #47 | ||
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If it helps, I could have used the un-race-related example of the vegan cafe "man tax" thread? i.e. it isn't untrue that there are some inequalities between genders, but addressing it in certain ways promotes unhelpful backlash. That is the entirety of what I'm talking about. |
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11-08-2017, 05:40 PM | #48 | ||
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This type of thing doesn't happen in the Hindu community, nor the Sikh. There are no organized Buddhist sex gangs either. Only one common denominator.
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11-08-2017, 05:43 PM | #49 | |||
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They said on the news it is mainly Pakistani Asian men.
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11-08-2017, 06:40 PM | #50 | ||
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