Notices

Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 13-08-2017, 11:30 PM   #126
Kizzy
Likes cars that go boom
 
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,221


Default

Well, nazi riots and imminent nuclear disaster within a year? I wish I had put a tenner on this as soon as trump won the election.
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2017, 11:46 PM   #127
Alf
Let's go Brandon
 
Alf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dystopia
Posts: 25,847


Default

These are just the small rumblings at the start.

If collectivism and Identity politics isn't stopped, It's gonna get much, much worse.
__________________
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVj6cgI9cEEsF4MM7Qd5vOPcBnpwplL  D-r1LRu_BKGD32G2KO0Pw
Alf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2017, 11:48 PM   #128
Dezzy
Babs
 
Dezzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,162

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Shane Jenek
CBB19: Kim Woodburn
BB17: Jayne
CBB17: Tiffany Pollard


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf View Post
I was the one that JTM45 is talking about, so are you calling me a White bigot?
You are rarely a thought in my mind so no.
__________________
Dezzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2017, 11:53 PM   #129
Alf
Let's go Brandon
 
Alf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dystopia
Posts: 25,847


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezzy View Post
You are rarely a thought in my mind so no.
You do know that if you call everyone who doesn't agree with you a bigot, then there's going to be bigots everywhere? Because everywhere in life, you will find people that don't agree with you.
__________________
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVj6cgI9cEEsF4MM7Qd5vOPcBnpwplL  D-r1LRu_BKGD32G2KO0Pw
Alf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2017, 11:58 PM   #130
JTM45
Senior Member
 
JTM45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SOUTH WALES
Posts: 9,880

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Jason Bell
BBUSA22: Dani
BBCanada 8: Jamar
Love Island 6: Leanne
Default

Yeah, the chances of anyone being able to do such a truly pathetic job of running the US seemed so unlikely it would have seemed like wasted money but Tump really has surprised even those who knew what an inept loser he was but at least expected him to give the job his all. Perhaps he did and ''his all'' is just really very little indeed.
Only to be expected from a fellonous coward and habitual draft dodger who makes fun of the disabled, lusts after his own daughter and boasts about his 'celebrity' giving him the right to sexually assault women! With all the evidence that's out there people really should have known what to expect from this disgraceful creature.
JTM45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 02:28 AM   #131
Dezzy
Babs
 
Dezzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,162

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Shane Jenek
CBB19: Kim Woodburn
BB17: Jayne
CBB17: Tiffany Pollard


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf View Post
You do know that if you call everyone who doesn't agree with you a bigot, then there's going to be bigots everywhere? Because everywhere in life, you will find people that don't agree with you.
I have no problem calling Nazis bigots.
__________________
Dezzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 03:25 AM   #132
Alf
Let's go Brandon
 
Alf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dystopia
Posts: 25,847


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezzy View Post
I have no problem calling Nazis bigots.
It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?
__________________
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVj6cgI9cEEsF4MM7Qd5vOPcBnpwplL  D-r1LRu_BKGD32G2KO0Pw

Last edited by Alf; 14-08-2017 at 03:25 AM.
Alf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 03:29 AM   #133
GiRTh
Iconic Symbolic Historic
 
GiRTh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 30,481

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Jess Impiazzi
Strictly 2017: Davood Ghadami
Strictly 2016: Robert Rinder
X Factor 2016: Honey G


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf View Post
It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?
Is this the bit where you blame everything on political correctness?

I disagree with the bit in bold, I dont think they ever went away and one of the things that has stunned me about the driver was the fact that he was only twenty. Ten years ago what could he have possibly known about these issues?
__________________

Quote:
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you. - Don Marquis

Last edited by GiRTh; 14-08-2017 at 03:30 AM.
GiRTh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 03:44 AM   #134
Dezzy
Babs
 
Dezzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,162

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Shane Jenek
CBB19: Kim Woodburn
BB17: Jayne
CBB17: Tiffany Pollard


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf View Post
It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?
Ah, is this the part when you try to place blame for right wing terrorism on the left? Typical.

Anything to avoid calling a spade a spade.
__________________
Dezzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 03:44 AM   #135
Alf
Let's go Brandon
 
Alf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dystopia
Posts: 25,847


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
Is this the bit where you blame everything on political correctness?

I disagree with the bit in bold, I dont think they ever went away and one of the things that has stunned me about the driver was the fact that he was only twenty. Ten years ago what could he have possibly known about these issues?
Nah, I wouldn't say Political correctness is the root. I'd say collectivism is. Political correctness is just a symptom of that.
__________________
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVj6cgI9cEEsF4MM7Qd5vOPcBnpwplL  D-r1LRu_BKGD32G2KO0Pw

Last edited by Alf; 14-08-2017 at 03:45 AM.
Alf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 04:18 AM   #136
GiRTh
Iconic Symbolic Historic
 
GiRTh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 30,481

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Jess Impiazzi
Strictly 2017: Davood Ghadami
Strictly 2016: Robert Rinder
X Factor 2016: Honey G


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf View Post
Nah, I wouldn't say Political correctness is the root. I'd say collectivism is. Political correctness is just a symptom of that.
I knew there was some blame coming I only picked the wrong victim.
__________________

Quote:
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you. - Don Marquis
GiRTh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 05:04 AM   #137
Scarlett.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 40,445


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf View Post
It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?
The internet, it let small minded bigots find other small minded bigots, and then allowed them to build a little echo chamber to fool themselves into thinking they're right.

I still don't understand why people like to blame Leftists for Ultra Far-Right Nazi violence. Blame the ****ing Nazis.
Scarlett. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 06:26 AM   #138
jennyjuniper
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 4,050
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chewy View Post
The internet, it let small minded bigots find other small minded bigots, and then allowed them to build a little echo chamber to fool themselves into thinking they're right.

I still don't understand why people like to blame Leftists for Ultra Far-Right Nazi violence. Blame the ****ing Nazis.
Do you mean Leftists like antifa? Who are aggressive and destructive and act just like fascists, yet insist that it's patriots who are the fascists?
jennyjuniper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 06:46 AM   #139
JTM45
Senior Member
 
JTM45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SOUTH WALES
Posts: 9,880

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Jason Bell
BBUSA22: Dani
BBCanada 8: Jamar
Love Island 6: Leanne
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jennyjuniper View Post
Do you mean Leftists like antifa? Who are aggressive and destructive and act just like fascists, yet insist that it's patriots who are the fascists?
Who exactly are these 'patriots' ? They're ****ing far-right Nazi scum!!! Nothing 'patriotic' about that.
JTM45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 06:48 AM   #140
jennyjuniper
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 4,050
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic View Post
The message of BLM is that it wants equality, but the way to try to achieve it is vile. The founder of BLM called white people genetic defects, there are videos of black SJWs attacking any white person for being white in BLM rallies and telling people to burn their **** down which is ****ed up.

You shouldn't fight for a cause, by doing the same thing you're fighting against.
I agree. This is a common thread with many of the Leftist groups. Feminists for example scream about white male 'rape culture' yet never say a word about the real rape culture, which is islam, where women can be beaten just for refusing sex with their husbands. Or little girls having their genitals mutilated. Yet these are two huge crimes against women.
As for antifa, the biggest hypocrites ever, who go around calling patriots nazi's and fascists. They are the biggest fascists going. At many of the rallies, THEY are the ones with weapons, who start violence first and cause chaos wherever they go.
jennyjuniper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 06:50 AM   #141
jennyjuniper
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 4,050
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JTM45 View Post
Who exactly are these 'patriots' ? They're ****ing far-right Nazi scum!!! Nothing 'patriotic' about that.
No. I mean patriots like myself, who care about my country. Who want the best for it. I have never and will never advocate violence towards anyone. Can Leftist groups like BLM and antifa say the same?
jennyjuniper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 06:51 AM   #142
Scarlett.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 40,445


Default

So much Whataboutism taking place in this thread. A Nazi drives into a crowd of people, injuring dozens of people and killing one. Yet all I'm seeing is "What about Antifa" "What about BLM" "What about Obama"

What about the fact that somehow people are equating Nazism with patriotism?
Scarlett. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 06:56 AM   #143
Scarlett.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 40,445


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jennyjuniper View Post
No. I mean patriots like myself, who care about my country. Who want the best for it. I have never and will never advocate violence towards anyone. Can Leftist groups like BLM and antifa say the same?
I honestly don't understand this response. A car crashed into people, and the only response white wing posters can be bothered with is is "WHAT ABOUT BLM DOE, SOME OF THEM DO VIOLENCE" Yes, some do, however, it was a white supremacist who commited a terror attack yestereday, in an American town, against non-violent protesters. Yes, we know that posters on here aren't Nazis, but we expect you to have some what of a normal human response to the murder of an innocent woman who was protesting against White Supremacists. I mean its a no ****ing brainer for ****s sake.

Last edited by Scarlett.; 14-08-2017 at 07:14 AM.
Scarlett. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 08:50 AM   #144
Nicky91
SantaNicky
 
Nicky91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 53,196
Blog Entries: 41

Favourites:
Apprentice 2019: Lottie
Apprentice 2018: Sian
BB18: Raph
BB17: Georgina


Default

all Trump's fault
__________________
Spoiler:



Robinson2021 faves: Sandra Ysbrandy/Annemiek Koekoek/Jan van Halst
Nicky91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 09:07 AM   #145
Liberty4eva
Fighting the PC Culture
 
Liberty4eva's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 1,473

Favourites:
CBB9: Karissa & Kristina Shannon
BB13 USA: Rachel
UBB: Nikki
BB12 USA: Matt
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicky91 View Post
all Trump's fault
I'm 70% sure this was sarcasm.
Liberty4eva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 09:56 AM   #146
bitontheslide
self-oscillating
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 28,878

Favourites:
BB19: Sian


Default

The USA has had a problem with empowered extremists for decades. Its not a new phenomena. Its a bi-product of having free speech, and the means to commit atrocities with the click of a finger.

Of course Nazi extremism should be outlawed, it shouldn't even be up for debate, and really, why are people getting upset with Trump. He was voted in by the American people as the "best" option for the job. It is what it is. If people don't like his performance he will be booted out come the next election if not before. Maybe next time they will get half decent candidates to represent them.
bitontheslide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 10:17 AM   #147
DemolitionRed
Senior Member
 
DemolitionRed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 6,073
Blog Entries: 114
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf View Post
It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?
Its all about power shift. We've seen these creatures before in Greece and Rome, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, fascist Italy and former Yugoslavia. This is exactly what happened to old societies and its happening to us now.

As for the U.S, racist, violent and despotic forces have always been a part of the American landscape. Throughout American history, we've seen such people tolerated and even empowered by the state to persecute. What we are witnessing and the reason this mould is growing is because of the recent power shift. When democratic institutions cease to function, when the consent of the government becomes a joke, despots fill the political void.
__________________
No longer on this site.
DemolitionRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 10:19 AM   #148
DemolitionRed
Senior Member
 
DemolitionRed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 6,073
Blog Entries: 114
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bitontheslide View Post
The USA has had a problem with empowered extremists for decades. Its not a new phenomena. Its a bi-product of having free speech, and the means to commit atrocities with the click of a finger.

Of course Nazi extremism should be outlawed, it shouldn't even be up for debate, and really, why are people getting upset with Trump. He was voted in by the American people as the "best" option for the job. It is what it is. If people don't like his performance he will be booted out come the next election if not before. Maybe next time they will get half decent candidates to represent them.
Its nothing to do with free speech! These white supremacists are enemies of democracy.... Scavenges without inhibition.
__________________
No longer on this site.
DemolitionRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 12:49 PM   #149
Livia
שטח זה להשכרה
 
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 29,823


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bitontheslide View Post
The USA has had a problem with empowered extremists for decades. Its not a new phenomena. Its a bi-product of having free speech, and the means to commit atrocities with the click of a finger.

Of course Nazi extremism should be outlawed, it shouldn't even be up for debate
, and really, why are people getting upset with Trump. He was voted in by the American people as the "best" option for the job. It is what it is. If people don't like his performance he will be booted out come the next election if not before. Maybe next time they will get half decent candidates to represent them.
Agree with this post, especially the bit in bold. All extremists should be outlawed.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier View Post
I'll tell you what's tiring. Having to listen to little mini-rants from someone who I'm convinced simply downloaded their entire personality in PDF format.
Livia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2017, 12:49 PM   #150
Dezzy
Babs
 
Dezzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,162

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Shane Jenek
CBB19: Kim Woodburn
BB17: Jayne
CBB17: Tiffany Pollard


Default

It says a lot when people are more concerned with the use of the word 'bigot' and if it applies to the nazi terrorist in question then they are with the fact that they've murdered someone.
__________________
Dezzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmark/share this topic

Tags
amid, black, car, charlotteville, council, declared, driver, emergency, executive, exits, fight, fourth, lives, matter, panicked, rally, raw, state, theory, trump, unite, video, violence

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:10 AM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
no new posts