About Us ThisisBigBrother.com

user104658 · 16-08-2017, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If you want to call me a nazi for pointing out that there are extremists on both sides, there are, that is your problem not mine.

I didn't call you a Nazi.

Brillopad · 16-08-2017, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't call you a Nazi.

A nazi sympathiser then. Show me where I expressed any agreement or sympathy for their actions.

user104658 · 16-08-2017, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad

A nazi sympathiser then. Show me where I expressed any agreement or sympathy for their actions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No the left just went there to cause trouble and inflamed the situation.

I find your intent fairly transparent.

Brillopad · 16-08-2017, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I find your intent fairly transparent.

Why - because they did. It was an organised demonstration. I don't agree with the depth of their views or the way they express them but they have as much right to express them in a legal way as a left demonstration. The left went there with an intention to cause conflict and you know it.

Livia · 16-08-2017, 01:26 PM

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

Tom4784 · 16-08-2017, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

They were flag waving Neo Nazis, Livia. Did you not see the pictures? Why are you more concerned about the use of the word rather than the fact that their actions have led to a loss of life?

Livia · 16-08-2017, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They were flag waving Neo Nazis, Livia. Did you not see the pictures?

I saw a bunch of uneducated American bigots carrying a swastika.

Alf · 16-08-2017, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They were flag waving Neo Nazis, Livia. Did you not see the pictures? Why are you more concerned about the use of the word rather than the fact that their actions have led to a loss of life?

And there were flag waving communist, Stalinists at Jeremy Corbyn rallies this year.

Did you vote for Corbyn? and if you did, does that make you a Commie sympathiser?

Tom4784 · 16-08-2017, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alf

And there were flag waving communist, Stalinists at Jeremy Corbyn rallies this year.

Did you vote for Corbyn? and if you did, does that make you a Commie sympathiser?

What does Jeremy Corbyn have to do with Right Wing Terrorism in the US? This obsession is really boring.

But if you insist, there's a difference between extremists trying to hijack an unrelated event for their own purposes and Neo Nazis organising an armed rally in what is a Liberal location to 'protest' the removal of a statue of a slaver. Should be obvious really. Corbyn organised an election rally, not a communist one so it's pretty silly to blame him for the actions of extremists that wanted to hijack the event.

Also, I don't live in his constituency so no, I didn't vote for Corbyn. Need me to explain for the UK election system works? But if I did then that wouldn't make me a sympathiser to Stalinists because I'm not refusing to condemn them and I'm not making excuses to blame anyone else but them for their own actions. Again, this should be real obvious to everyone.

I can only imagine this flawed argument of yours is based around your erroneous belief that I think people who voted for Trump are Nazi sympathisers? If so please point out where I said that. Voting or supporting Trump doesn't make a person a Nazi Sympathiser, making excuses for Nazis and scapegoating innocent parties to vindicate Nazis makes a person a Nazi Sympathiser.

Alf · 16-08-2017, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What does Jeremy Corbyn have to do with Right Wing Terrorism in the US? This obsession is really boring.

But if you insist, there's a difference between extremists trying to hijack an unrelated event for their own purposes and Neo Nazis organising an armed rally in what is a Liberal location to 'protest' the removal of a statue of a slaver. Should be obvious really. Corbyn organised an election rally, not a communist one so it's pretty silly to blame him for the actions of extremists that wanted to hijack the event.

Also, I don't live in his constituency so no, I didn't vote for Corbyn. Need me to explain for the UK election system works? But if I did then that wouldn't make me a sympathiser to Stalinists because I'm not refusing to condemn them and I'm not making excuses to blame anyone else but them for their own actions. Again, this should be real obvious to everyone.

I can only imagine this flawed argument of yours is based around your erroneous belief that I think people who voted for Trump are Nazi sympathisers? If so please point out where I said that. Voting or supporting Trump doesn't make a person a Nazi Sympathiser, making excuses for Nazis and scapegoating innocent parties to vindicate Nazis makes a person a Nazi Sympathiser.

Bad isn't it, Communist parading around in our country? It's even worse when they come so close to gaining power, isn't it?

We had a lucky escape there, wouldn't you say?

While you're on the subject of statues. Here's a bunch of lefties pulling down a confederate statue in the US a couple of days ago.

Brillopad · 16-08-2017, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What does Jeremy Corbyn have to do with Right Wing Terrorism in the US? This obsession is really boring.

But if you insist, there's a difference between extremists trying to hijack an unrelated event for their own purposes and Neo Nazis organising an armed rally in what is a Liberal location to 'protest' the removal of a statue of a slaver. Should be obvious really. Corbyn organised an election rally, not a communist one so it's pretty silly to blame him for the actions of extremists that wanted to hijack the event.

Also, I don't live in his constituency so no, I didn't vote for Corbyn. Need me to explain for the UK election system works? But if I did then that wouldn't make me a sympathiser to Stalinists because I'm not refusing to condemn them and I'm not making excuses to blame anyone else but them for their own actions. Again, this should be real obvious to everyone.

I can only imagine this flawed argument of yours is based around your erroneous belief that I think people who voted for Trump are Nazi sympathisers? If so please point out where I said that. Voting or supporting Trump doesn't make a person a Nazi Sympathiser, making excuses for Nazis and scapegoating innocent parties to vindicate Nazis makes a person a Nazi Sympathiser.

Please point out where anyone has made excuses for nazis.

Allocating a degree of responsibility to the adults that knowing stirred up emotions in an already volatile situation that in turn led to one scum bag running a car into a crowd of people is reasonable. They didn't drive the car but they contributed to the atmosphere of aggression.

user104658 · 16-08-2017, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

To an extent, yes, I agree, but I suspect that for most of these people the only thing that is stopping them is lack of means rather than lack of motivation. The ideology is exactly the same - and if they had a nation or an army - I'm not so sure they wouldn't be gassing and murdering their way across the world without hesitation.

I suppose it's important to remember that the Nazi ideology existed in small niche pockets long before those Nazis found their way into power in Germany. They didn't spring up out of the ground. Just because the current groups with white supremacist / Nazi ideologies don't currently have power, doesn't mean that they should be disregarded or ignored as a threat.

Brillopad · 16-08-2017, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To an extent, yes, I agree, but I suspect that for most of these people the only thing that is stopping them is lack of means rather than lack of motivation. The ideology is exactly the same - and if they had a nation or an army - I'm not so sure they wouldn't be gassing and murdering their way across the world without hesitation.

I suppose it's important to remember that the Nazi ideology existed in small niche pockets long before those Nazis found their way into power in Germany. They didn't spring up out of the ground. Just because the current groups with white supremacist / Nazi ideologies don't currently have power, doesn't mean that they should be disregarded or ignored as a threat.

That could just as easily apply to those on the extreme left. They are becoming increasingly more violent. As you said yourself people pick a side and adopt the rhetoric. Some also just love violence and adopt a side to enable it.

DemolitionRed · 16-08-2017, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

I disagree. These people support what Nazi Germany did. They support the gassing and murdering of millions and they don't wear the swastika because it represents luck, success, and prosperity but because Hitler is their hero.

The anti-Nazi supporters (and you don't have to be left to be that) are disgusted with such people. Some take that disgust too far but tell me this, should we just ignore this growing trend in racism? should we allow them to grow and flourish?

Cherie · 16-08-2017, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't call you a Nazi.

I find it ironic that you speak about people picking sides and making allusions to playgrounds when you never budge from your corner. There are plenty people on the forum who don't have a side and you definitely aren't one of them.