[user104658]

I read a theory that

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Jon will ride the Wight/Ice Dragon. With the dragons connection to the targaryen bloodline extending beyond death, Jon will manage to take control of it in battle and it will turn on the walkers. Apparently there's been a theory about an ice dragon floating about for ages; some speculating that there might be one frozen inside the wall... But it'll now probably be viseryon.

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It does make sense for the "song of ice and fire", with Jon being g "ice".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I read a theory that

Spoiler:

Jon will ride the Wight/Ice Dragon. With the dragons connection to the targaryen bloodline extending beyond death, Jon will manage to take control of it in battle and it will turn on the walkers. Apparently there's been a theory about an ice dragon floating about for ages; some speculating that there might be one frozen inside the wall... But it'll now probably be viseryon.

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It does make sense for the "song of ice and fire", with Jon being g "ice".

Oh I love that theory, I hope it happens

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That was probably the worst episode of GoT ever.

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And it was all because of the poor TV-esque forced conflict between Sansa and Arya as well as the continued out of nowhere Dany paranoia at the beginning.

Neither Arya or Sansa are dumb but they are being made purposefully dumb in order to force this storyline along. Arya would have understood Sansa's perspective if this was any other season and Sansa wouldn't have been dumb enough to buy into Littlefinger's obvious plot. It's contrived and it's piss poor writing. The plot should fit around the characters, characters shouldn't be changed to fit the plot.

Dany questioning everyone that has stuck with her thus far for no other reason then to create a bit of conflict is equally annoying especially considering her scenes in the last half of the episode where she felt like a completely different character. The paranoia scenes go against everything they've developed with Dany so far and they stick out like a sore thumb. She's a positively schizophrenic character at this point and it's purely down to these poorly written scenes. It makes no narrative sense for Daenerys to doubt Tyrion after everything, it's just another forced plot contrivance.

The rest of the episode with the Westeros Avengers beyond the wall was really good but the bad writing in the other scenes just completely ruined the episode for me. I liked how it ended although I admit I'm getting quite bored of the White Walkers, there's only so much you can do with a villain that is essentially a force of nature rather than a character especially in a show like this which is very much character focused. Unless the Night King suddenly becomes chatty and interesting, I'm not looking forward to a potential season of him. I'm hoping my theory from last week is correct and they are dealt with quickly as the main narrative pull of the White Walkers is seeing how everyone will work together and the writers have set up that alliance already and it'll probably happen in the next episode. Anything else in the White Walker storyline ultimately feels like padding.

Viserion's death was well done and sad although the first trailer for this season that showed a dragon with blue eyes spoiled the twist and we could have done without. It's nice that the writers remembered for a few moments that Daenerys isn't a random paranoid mess too and I liked the cementing of the alliance between her and Jon.

Poor Thoros gettting such a crappy death.

I did love the episode but

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I agree with you about the Arya/Sansa scenes, I hate that they're making me dislike Arya when she's been my favourite character from the start

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I did love the episode but

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I agree with you about the Arya/Sansa scenes, I hate that they're making me dislike Arya when she's been my favourite character from the start

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My hope is that it'll all turn out to be some sort of ruse against Littlefinger... like they've been onto him from the start and know he's hiding in the shadows watching (not least because it makes ZERO sense that Arya wouldn't know she's being watched) and so, knowing that his plan is to cause division between them, they're "playing along" to let him think that he's winning. Once they figure out what he's actually up to they'll both turn on him.

That's my hope anyway . Otherwise they've just undone 7 seasons of character development for both of them .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

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My hope is that it'll all turn out to be some sort of ruse against Littlefinger... like they've been onto him from the start and know he's hiding in the shadows watching (not least because it makes ZERO sense that Arya wouldn't know she's being watched) and so, knowing that his plan is to cause division between them, they're "playing along" to let him think that he's winning. Once they figure out what he's actually up to they'll both turn on him.

That's my hope anyway . Otherwise they've just undone 7 seasons of character development for both of them .

Yeah, that's literally the only scenario that will redeem all this stuff tbh

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, that's literally the only scenario that will redeem all this stuff tbh

It's him standing watching Arya that really gets me! Like there was an entire half season long storyline where she was blind, for several months... it was a huge part of what made her into such a great assassin... it was what allowed her to defeat The Waif in a fight completely in the dark... and yet she doesn't know that Littlefinger is hiding in the shadows 10 feet away when she comes out of Sansa's room?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's him standing watching Arya that really gets me! Like there was an entire half season long storyline where she was blind, for several months... it was a huge part of what made her into such a great assassin... it was what allowed her to defeat The Waif in a fight completely in the dark... and yet she doesn't know that Littlefinger is hiding in the shadows 10 feet away when she comes out of Sansa's room?

Yeah exactly, which is why if they don't do what you said I'll be really disappointed, it's a terrible error on the writers part

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I do wonder what GRRM had planned with this storyline because in the books it was never Sansa who married Ramsay so presumably she would be in a completely different head space to TV Sansa

[Novo]

Can someone pm me a link to the episode, before I read any spoilers, cheers.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Jon doesn't want the throne, why would he turn on her

Out of necessity.

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He's the rightful king if the Targaryen line takes the throne again which is going to lead to conflict with Dany since his existence invalidates her claim. Jon will likely have to go to war as a means of defence as Dany will reluctantly have to fight for her right to rule. I think it's going to be the main conflict in Season 7 which would be interesting since it would be different to the wars in previous seasons since there wouldn't likely be a clear cut villain and hero as it would be a war of circumstance and necessity. Neither side want to hurt the other but only one of them can survive.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's him standing watching Arya that really gets me! Like there was an entire half season long storyline where she was blind, for several months... it was a huge part of what made her into such a great assassin... it was what allowed her to defeat The Waif in a fight completely in the dark... and yet she doesn't know that Littlefinger is hiding in the shadows 10 feet away when she comes out of Sansa's room?

It's painfully bad writing, they are rewriting parts of her journey to try to make this storyline make sense. It's inconsistent and dumb.

[Locke.]

Jon will never fight Daenerys for the throne. He's not an entitled brat like she is. If she dies then he'll give up his title in the North and take it, but wouldn't otherwise.

Ep6

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After this episode I think it's time for Jon to just remain out of battles tbh. Him and Robb are polar opposites in this sense. Jon makes the smart choices when it comes to alliances and plotting, Robb won every battle he went into and tactically outclassed every battle commander he came up against, including Tywin, Jaime, and the Mountain. I don't think we've actually seen Jon win a battle of his own accord yet

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Jon will never fight Daenerys for the throne. He's not an entitled brat like she is. If she dies then he'll give up his title in the North and take it, but wouldn't otherwise.

Ep6

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After this episode I think it's time for Jon to just remain out of battles tbh. Him and Robb are polar opposites in this sense. Jon makes the smart choices when it comes to alliances and plotting, Robb won every battle he went into and tactically outclassed every battle commander he came up against, including Tywin, Jaime, and the Mountain. I don't think we've actually seen Jon win a battle of his own accord yet

Yeah, Jon is great IN a battle, up there with the best fighters in the show... And he's a good leader/king also - but he's not a tactician. Most leaders aren't, Rob was an exception, most have "Generals" (such as Cersei having Jaime, or Dany having various tactical advisors) and plan the broad strokes, rather than individual battle plans.

[Brother Leon]

I don't think Jon is supposed to be a master tactician though. He's just a badass fighter who will always lead the line with his people, hence why he often finds himself in ****.

His resume is pretty insane considering he's killed White Walkers and fought Wights,Wildlings,Thenns,Nights Watch Traitors and Boltons and is still knocking about.

[Locke.]

Think the only person that has beaten Jon in single combat is the Night's Watch mutineer that killed Lord Commander Mormont isn't it. Jon was down and out and one of Craster's daughters interfered and handed him the win

Here it is, feels so much longer ago than season 4

Youtube video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Think the only person that has beaten Jon in single combat is the Night's Watch mutineer that killed Lord Commander Mormont isn't it. Jon was down and out and one of Craster's daughters interfered and handed him the win

Here it is, feels so much longer ago than season 4

Youtube video

I'd also say that even though it's only 3 seasons ago, he was actually still pretty "green" at that point. His main downfall is recklessness... Throwing himself in against unwinnable odds (staring down the Boltons alone, and charging a million Wights on foot...) . Which is, I suppose, why he doesn't make a good tactician either. He has more of a Wilding than Soldier mentality really, which I suppose goes all the way back.

[user104658]

Or I guess you could see it as... He has a fiery Targeryen temper, unlike the other Stark kids, who have all been quite cold and calculating in different ways.

[King Gizzard]

This has no relevance to anything but wish they never killed Mance

Sure I read he gets saved in the books and is replaced by someone else

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by King Gizzard

This has no relevance to anything but wish they never killed Mance

Sure I read he gets saved in the books and is replaced by someone else

Yeah in the books

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Melisandre does a spell to make another wildling look like Mance and that's who's killed, she gives Mance a ruby that makes him look like the wildling (like the one she wears that makes her look young

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I read a theory that

Spoiler:

Jon will ride the Wight/Ice Dragon. With the dragons connection to the targaryen bloodline extending beyond death, Jon will manage to take control of it in battle and it will turn on the walkers. Apparently there's been a theory about an ice dragon floating about for ages; some speculating that there might be one frozen inside the wall... But it'll now probably be viseryon.

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It does make sense for the "song of ice and fire", with Jon being g "ice".

If they do that then it's just more bull**** stuff to give Jon Snow all because the TV writers clearly like his character the most.

[Smithy]

Had a dream last night that I was riding Rhaegal chasing Cersei (who was trying to escape on a motorbike) and i just kept screaming dracarys trying to kill her

[Glenn.]

Omfg I had a dream I was flying on a dragon around work.

[Denver]

Im half way through series 2 and after hating on this for years im now obsessed

[King Gizzard]

Can't wait to find out what happens tonight !!!

[Shaun]

right then let's livepost this

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Gendry being roasted
Jorah getting a nice moment, totally not going to die is he
Arya/Sansa beef
Arya being an unreasonable dickhead all along </3 what an unfortunate sudden character flaw
Sansa DESTROYING her

ok @ "dick, i like it"
tormund/the hound are the friendship this show needs, though

it's really hard to like Beric after what he was like in Fortitude. I wonder if he (the actor) gets bored of snow

daenerys being a size queen? no wonder smithy stans

this show would drastically improve if tyrion shot daenerys on the toilet too

oh an evil polar bear!

welp bye thoros

LEG IT LADS!!!!

erm when did Gendry split up from the rest of them I am not losing him now

oh this stakeout around the frozen sea is rather scary

erm the lord of light isn't just going to turn out to be Dany is it? not here for that

do none of the wights own a bow & arrow? i mean...

brienne doing her utmost to expose littlefinger

oh daenerys has a nice seasonal white "killing wights" outfit, that's nice

skeletor getting bold and making his way across the ice <3

THIS IS A LOT

DRAGONS!!! BOY I HOPE THEY PULL THROUGH TONIGHT'S SHOW!!!

...oh

BENJEN!

...oh

more unnecessary arya being a bitch stuff go **** yourselves with this BS @writers

UM PLEASE DON'T SAY THEY CAN MAKE A WIGHT DRAGON? OH THEY CAN OK

[Brother Leon]

Was so much better on TV. Now that the episode has aired, it's safe to openly post about it. It all makes sense now as to why the Night King has been taking his time. He obviously saw this happen with his Greenseeing and was awaiting the opportunity to capture a Dragon. I imagine this is how he breaks the wall now.

Jon bending the knee and suddenly falling in love sucks and is out of character, but tbh the Northern Lords are snakey twats anyway and don't deserve a King like Jon and the Scene was nice. Night King and a Dragon = Game Over. He took Viserion down with ease and would probably to the same to the others. Bran is our last hope and Saviour.

Oh and shouts to Uncle Benjen. What a man. Our true protector until the very end.