[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The burqa is more cultural than religious. In some countries, its demanded and that is discriminatory. In the West, some women continue to wear it because a) that's what they are used to and feel comfortable in it. b) Because they wrongly believe it represents the purity of a religion. c) Because the men or family members demand it and d) because they want their right to privacy.

If we ban the burqa, we aid the women who aren't given a choice but what about the women who choose to wear it? Would we be discriminating her rights?

I walk past women wearing burqas on a regular basis. I hardly notice them and I certainly don't find them offensive or threatening. I don't look at those women pitifully and ponder about why they are wearing it, just as I don't ponder about the Hasidic Jewish women wearing dowdy clothing and ill fitting wigs or the English woman revealing their heavy cleavages or ass cheeks from micro outfits. All of those women could be being bullied by the men in their lives to wear the outfits they wear but its not for me to pick and choose which women are being repressed, abused, bullied, coerced or pimped based on what they are wearing.

I would rather aid those women that have no choice in wearing it than pander to those that choose to wear it and disrespect Western values of female equality.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I would rather aid those women that have no choice in wearing it than pander to those that choose to wear it and disrespect Western values of female equality.

Yeah, i'm sure you spend a lot of your time helping Muslim women..............when you're not trawling the internet for trashy anti-muslim 'articles' to start threads about here.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Yeah, i'm sure you spend a lot of your time helping Muslim women..............when you're not trawling the internet for trashy anti-muslim 'articles' to start threads about here.

I just live my life. I respect the values of others if they respect the values of others. Not complicated or unreasonable.

Choosing to wear a burkha in the West is disrespectful to Western culture and female equality and therefore the wearer gets no respect from me and a large part of the West judging by those counties that have already banned the wearing of it and those that have called for it to be banned.

So you can stick your cheap jibes.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Choosing to wear a burkha in the West is disrespectful to Western culture and female equality

You really are so ignorant and un-knowledgable! Just because someone lives by their traditions, especially when it regards something that's extremely important to their religious belief system, it doesn't mean they're being ''disrespectful to Western culture and female equality''.
British people don't , on the whole, live by the beliefs and traditions of Countries they choose to visit.

When it suits your self-centred agenda you're all for freedom of speech and personal rights but when it's a question of someone else's personal rights then you're wanting them taken away at your pleasure just because it offends your biggoted, discriminatory & xenophobic 'views' which gladly are only shared by a small minority of archaic minded hate-mongers.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

You really are so ignorant and un-knowledgable! Just because someone lives by their traditions, especially when it regards something that's extremely important to their religious belief system, it doesn't mean they're being ''disrespectful to Western culture and female equality''.
British people don't , on the whole, live by the beliefs and traditions of Countries they choose to visit.

When it suits your self-centred agenda you're all for freedom of speech and personal rights but when it's a question of someone else's personal rights then you're wanting them taken away at your pleasure just because it offends your biggoted, discriminatory & xenophobic 'views' which gladly are only shared by a small minority of archaic minded hate-mongers.

News for you - Ignorance isn't disagreeing with you . As we are not talking about visiting, but generally about people choosing to live here - then to demonstrate some consideration and adherence for local belief systems and equality laws is expected by most. You are ignorant if you don't see that and clearly have your own agenda! Pot calling kettle yet again.

I guarantee you would not be saying the same if people came here en masse and walking our streets wearing clothing sporting a swastica. I know you would see that differently because I believe you have double standards and put some groups before others. It's not just about what you find offensive, and it seems to me that the equality of women is not up there with some other equalities in your book. British women have rights too btw - and it isn't to put up and shut up at the behest of the PC mob.

I see you as bigoted, discrimanatory and sexist in your beliefs that if British women are offended by certain groups accepted into our country being disrespectful to female equality laws, you have a right to verbally abuse them. You just demonstrate that female equality is of little interest to you and you are every bit as ignorant as you accuse others of being in your desperate attempt to shut them up!

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

News for you - Ignorance isn't disagreeing with you . As we are not talking about visiting, but generally about people choosing to live here - then to demonstrate some consideration and adherence for local belief systems and equality laws is expected by most. You are ignorant if you don't see that and clearly have your own agenda! Pot calling kettle yet again.

I guarantee you would not be saying the same if people came here en masse and walking our streets wearing clothing sporting a swastica. I know you would see that differently because I believe you have double standards and put some groups before others. It's not just about what you find offensive, and it seems to me that the equality of women is not up there with some other equalities in your book. British women have rights too btw - and it isn't to put up and shut up at the behest of the PC mob.

I see you as bigoted, discrimanatory and sexist in your beliefs that if British women are offended by certain groups accepted into our country being disrespectful to female equality laws, you have a right to verbally abuse them. You just demonstrate that female equality is of little interest to you and you are every bit as ignorant as you accuse others of being in your desperate attempt to shut them up!

Please stop making up REALLY OFFENSIVE crap about me! I didn't say or even point to believing what you're claiming i did. Where do i say anything about me having a right ''to verbally abuse'' anyone ? Either delete this post now or i will be making a serious complaint about this. I NEVER report people usually but then people don't usually make up blatant lies about me.

You clearly don't have a great understanding of many things and you're more than entitled to think whatever you want about me but to use your ignorance to post wildly incorrect slander about me is disgusting and i suggest you delete these accusations and don't make any in the future.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Please stop making up REALLY OFFENSIVE crap about me! I didn't say or even point to believing what you're claiming i did. Where do i say anything about me having a right ''to verbally abuse'' anyone ? Either delete this post now or i will be making a serious complaint about this. I NEVER report people usually but then people don't usually make up blatant lies about me.

You clearly don't have a great understanding of many things and you're more than entitled to think whatever you want about me but to use your ignorance to post wildly incorrect slander about me is disgusting and i suggest you delete these accusations and don't make any in the future.

But it's okay for you to be REALLY OFFENSIVE to me because you don't share my views! Yeah right - what is this, yet more double standards! You said a lot of slanderous things about me to which I responded. If you want to make a complaint then I will be seriously suggesting the mods read your comments and accusations first before deciding this is a one-sided 'discussion'. I suggest you re-read your last couple of posts to me and defy anyone that says they were neither offensive or slanderous.