[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.

And are people still banging on about the "muslim ban"? Looking at what's happening in Europe, it's hard to blame people for falling for that sort of thing, especially in Germany.

Did I say she was? She was killed because Thomas Mair, who had links to anti-muslim groups, saw her as a 'race traitor'. It was a politically motivated murder.

The Muslim Ban is still relevant because it's recently had a new iteration in which two other countries have been put on there as tokens to make the Muslim Ban seem less like a Muslim Ban in order to overcome the illegality of it.

You don't respond to extremism with extremism.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

one person in the UK and 12% of the German vote

is


massive?

ok

It isn't if you ignore the fact that Extremism has been on the rise throughout most elections that's happened in recent years, thankfully in most cases they lost but ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. Pretending that extremism doesn't exist in politics just makes it easier for them to gain a bigger foothold in politics.

12% is a lot for an extreme party, they went from having no say or power to becoming the third biggest share of votes. It's worrying if they continue to garner support.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Did I say she was? She was killed because Thomas Mair, who had links to anti-muslim groups, saw her as a 'race traitor'. It was a politically motivated murder.

The Muslim Ban is still relevant because it's recently had a new iteration in which two other countries have been put on there as tokens to make the Muslim Ban seem less like a Muslim Ban in order to overcome the illegality of it.

As a "muslim ban" it kind of fails for not including Afghanistan, and many other muslim-majority countries. Maybe that's because it's not about muslims or islam, but about extremists.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

As a "muslim ban" it kind of fails for not including Afghanistan, and many other muslim-majority countries. Maybe that's because it's not about muslims or islam, but about extremists.

The only muslim majority countries that were left off were countries that the US are allied with OR Trump's company has business interests there.

You can spin it all you want, a shovel is a shovel and a muslim ban is a muslim ban.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The only muslim majority countries that were left off were countries that the US are allied with OR Trump's company has business interests there.

You can spin it all you want, a shovel is a shovel and a muslim ban is a muslim ban.

Well, no it's not. For example, the "ban" can be waived in individual cases, like for an interpreter. I highly doubt that every muslim country not included in the "ban" is either a US ally or a Trump business interest, do you have a source for this?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Well, no it's not. For example, the "ban" can be waived in individual cases, like for an interpreter. I highly doubt that every muslim country not included in the "ban" is either a US ally or a Trump business interest, do you have a source for this?

Doesn't take much effort to google it.

You're focusing on the tiny cracks in order to deny there's a massive chasm in the wall. Most experts of every political persuasion agree that this is, and always has been, a muslim ban.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

It must be nice to be as sure about anything as you are about everything because when you're so sure about everything you can just ignore circumstances.

But its difficult if not impossible to have a balanced debate with people who are driven by one-sided sensationalistic western media.

Germany and France have little to do with the interventions, and they've had plenty of terror attacks. Maybe because they're ideologically drive, rather than an imaginary tit-for-tat.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Doesn't take much effort to google it.

You're focusing on the tiny cracks in order to deny there's a massive chasm in the wall. Most experts of every political persuasion agree that this is, and always has been, a muslim ban.

The burden of proof lies with the claimant, and I've seen no proof it's anything but a hold on immigration from places affected by extremism.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Germany and France have little to do with the interventions, and they've had plenty of terror attacks. Maybe because they're ideologically drive, rather than an imaginary tit-for-tat.

Don't you research this stuff before posting?

https://mises.org/blog/long-history-...ast-and-africa

A quick look at social media today reveals that many of the same people who imagined the US was "minding its own business" prior to 9/11 now seem to be under the impression that France has a hands-off approach in the Middle East and surrounding areas.

Of course, this position is even more ridiculous since the French have an even longer and arguably more brutal history than the US when it comes to Syria, Lebanon, North Africa, and more.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../turk-s09.html

The German army is to massively expand its presence at the Incirlik air base in southeastern Turkey. The defence ministry under Ursula Von der Leyen has announced investments totalling €58 million.

According to Spiegel Online, €26 million is to be used to construct an airstrip for the Tornados stationed there and permanent accommodation for the troops. For an additional €30 million, the army will establish a mobile command centre for the deployment of the air force. For this, the building of a foundation will be necessary, which costs an additional €2 million.

The NATO Incirlik airbase is the main location from where the US-led air war in Syria and Iraq is waged, in which the German army has participated since last year with fighter jets, a warship, refuelling aircraft, satellite technology and up to 1,200 troops. The German Tornado pilots have flown approximately 500 reconnaissance missions since then.