[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

apparently so us whiteys can get our knickers in a twist over just about anything, the troupe leader is a Zulu he had no issue with it, but as usual we know better allegedly

Sorry I wasn't aware that the troupe leader of an obscure festival somewhere in England had been declared spokesperson for all black Africans.

And just to pre empt the "well u aren't either"; I'm not the one claiming to speak for everyone. I'm sure there are plenty of people who, like the troupe leader, are not bothered by it. I am saying that there are clearly plenty who will not be OK with it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Sorry I wasn't aware that the troupe leader of an obscure festival somewhere in England had been declared spokesperson for all black Africans.

And just to pre empt the "well u aren't either"; I'm not the one claiming to speak for everyone. I'm sure there are plenty of people who, like the troupe leader, are not bothered by it. I am saying that there are clearly plenty who will not be OK with it.

as the troupe leader is a Zulu I think he might be more entitled to say what is and isn't racist in his view? no he can't speak for everyone but it is interesting that he has no issues with it, is this just whites flagellating themselves for the sins of the forefathers it seems very in vogue at the moment?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

as the troupe leader is a Zulu I think he might be more entitled to say what is and isn't racist in his view? no he can't speak for everyone but it is interesting that he has no issues with it, is this just whites flagellating themselves for the sins of the forefathers it seems very in vogue at the moment?

Let's revisit this for a moment...

Thanda Gumede, the troupe’s leader, delivered an ultimatum: drop the black face or we won’t come. After delicate negotiations the bonfire society agreed and said it would also remove skulls, nose rings and dead monkeys from its costumes that Gumede, from Durban but living in Leeds, said were a “gross misrepresentation and unacceptable stereotype of Zulu and black people at large”
When his troupe, Zulu Tradition, was first booked Gumede had only seen one image of the bonfire society costumes and did not consider it offensive, but after further research he changed his mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-annual-parade

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's revisit this for a moment...

Thanda Gumede, the troupe’s leader, delivered an ultimatum: drop the black face or we won’t come. After delicate negotiations the bonfire society agreed and said it would also remove skulls, nose rings and dead monkeys from its costumes that Gumede, from Durban but living in Leeds, said were a “gross misrepresentation and unacceptable stereotype of Zulu and black people at large”
When his troupe, Zulu Tradition, was first booked Gumede had only seen one image of the bonfire society costumes and did not consider it offensive, but after further research he changed his mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-annual-parade

Completely different article by the same media outlet, where is the truth?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

where is the truth?

He got banned for being sexist at Vicky remember...