[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It becomes ‘obvious’ to those who see what they want to see.

Utterly meaningless Brillo.

Though I notice there's not even an attempt to justify the bile you were pumping out in the specific thread I used as an example.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Utterly meaningless Brillo.

Just like your little diatribe.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Just like your little diatribe.

So we've descended into the "no that's u that is" stuff again. OK. The thread has run its course, I guess.

As a final thought I'd just say... You talk a lot about wishing for a "world without PC" where people can say what they want, but then you go into victim / persecuted mode when people say what they want about your posts and call out the ones that they don't like. Do you actually want that world, or not? It seems a lot like you really don't want it. Or maybe you only want it for yourself and your views. It doesn't work that way and it never will.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So we've descended into the "no that's u that is" stuff again. OK. The thread has run its course, I guess.

As a final thought I'd just say... You talk a lot about wishing for a "world without PC" where people can say what they want, but then you go into victim / persecuted mode when people say what they want about your posts and call out the ones that they don't like. Do you actually want that world, or not? It seems a lot like you really don't want it. Or maybe you only want it for yourself and your views. It doesn't work that way and it never will.

I have never said that people should be able to say anything they want, and that works both ways, but people should be able to express views and opinions in a reasonable way on issues that affect everyone, however much some don’t like it, and without having to put up with constant character assassination because of it. It is childish and controlling and in the grown-up world should never work that way.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So we've descended into the "no that's u that is" stuff again. OK. The thread has run its course, I guess.

As a final thought I'd just say... You talk a lot about wishing for a "world without PC" where people can say what they want, but then you go into victim / persecuted mode when people say what they want about your posts and call out the ones that they don't like. Do you actually want that world, or not? It seems a lot like you really don't want it. Or maybe you only want it for yourself and your views. It doesn't work that way and it never will.

@Brillo

I don't despise you Brillo. I even agree with you sometimes but when it comes to Muslims and immigrants, you don't come over well.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So we've descended into the "no that's u that is" stuff again. OK. The thread has run its course, I guess.

As a final thought I'd just say... You talk a lot about wishing for a "world without PC" where people can say what they want, but then you go into victim / persecuted mode when people say what they want about your posts and call out the ones that they don't like. Do you actually want that world, or not? It seems a lot like you really don't want it. Or maybe you only want it for yourself and your views. It doesn't work that way and it never will.

I have the same issue, recently the word 'shameful' has been cropping up.... has anyone else noticed this? It usually makes an appearance at times of tragedy when it's inferred that the powers that be be held accountable or difficult questions are asked.
Being accused of being 'PC' is the same, it's a way of silencing people by mocking them and attempting to reduce their opinion enough that it be dismissed.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I have never said that people should be able to say anything they want, and that works both ways, but people should be able to express views and opinions in a reasonable way on issues that affect everyone, however much some don’t like it, and without having to put up with constant character assassination because of it. It is childish and controlling and in the grown-up world should never work that way.

That's the thing though Brillo... There ARE people who express views, opinions and concerns on these issues in a reasonable way, but you generally aren't one of them. But I genuinely don't think you'll ever see that.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So we've descended into the "no that's u that is" stuff again. OK. The thread has run its course, I guess.

As a final thought I'd just say... You talk a lot about wishing for a "world without PC" where people can say what they want, but then you go into victim / persecuted mode when people say what they want about your posts and call out the ones that they don't like. Do you actually want that world, or not? It seems a lot like you really don't want it. Or maybe you only want it for yourself and your views. It doesn't work that way and it never will.

So has it ran its course or not? Cause you have a heck of a lot to say afterwards.

"Threads ran its course but i will say one last thing" do you just want the world for yourself and your views?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's the thing though Brillo... There ARE people who express views, opinions and concerns on these issues in a reasonable way, but you generally aren't one of them. But I genuinely don't think you'll ever see that.

I think Brillo expresses herself very well.

If you genuinely believe Brillo is racist, what do you hope to achieve by coming into all her threads and belittling her, making fun or her threads and saying things like imo YOU ARE A MASSIVE racist. etc.

If you genuinely cared about racism and wanted to help to reduce it where you could surely the way to deal with what you perceive as racism is by considerate, patient and helpful dialogue which over time may cause the person to think twice about their views? You can't beat racism out of someone with a sledgehammer. (NOT, I repeat, that I think Brillo is racist.)

You have repeatedly said you will continue to come into Brillo's threads and shout loud and clear every time you perceive racism to be evident. It seems to me that taking that approach is for your own amusement rather than a desire to further the cause of reducing what you perceive as racism by intelligent and thoughtful dialogue, which you are good at when you don't include the snide remarks, cheap shots and crying 'racist' for the 100th time.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I have never said that people should be able to say anything they want, and that works both ways, but people should be able to express views and opinions in a reasonable way on issues that affect everyone, however much some don’t like it, and without having to put up with constant character assassination because of it. It is childish and controlling and in the grown-up world should never work that way.

Well said, all of it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So has it ran its course or not? Cause you have a heck of a lot to say afterwards.

"Threads ran its course but i will say one last thing" do you just want the world for yourself and your views?

I'm sorry... are you turning up at the 11th hour to throw in your 2 cents, and that 2 cents is to pick at the corpse of the thread to get your own little jibe in? The word "vulture" springs to mind. Or "seagull", maybe, chasing after the last few soggy chips .

You're like the little kid at the end of a fight running in to kick someone's shins so that you can say "hee hee! hee hee guys I was in the fight too!"

[Tom4784]

Someone having an opinion on someone else's opinion is not 'character assassination'. It's a silly claim that only tries to shut down opposing opinions. Honestly, a lot of the people who claim Political Correctness is the devil are strangely for it when it benefits them.

You can't have it one way but not the other, if people are free to spout opinions that seem racist then other people are allowed to share their opinions that they are being racist. Making out that they are being insulting by calling out racism or the other methods used to silence opposing opinions is just being overly political correct in the way you claim to hate.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

I think Brillo expresses herself very well.

If you genuinely believe Brillo is racist, what do you hope to achieve by coming into all her threads and belittling her, making fun or her threads and saying things like imo YOU ARE A MASSIVE racist. etc.

If you genuinely cared about racism and wanted to help to reduce it where you could surely the way to deal with what you perceive as racism is by considerate, patient and helpful dialogue which over time may cause the person to think twice about their views? You can't beat racism out of someone with a sledgehammer. (NOT, I repeat, that I think Brillo is racist.)

You have repeatedly said you will continue to come into Brillo's threads and shout loud and clear every time you perceive racism to be evident. It seems to me that taking that approach is for your own amusement rather than a desire to further the cause of reducing what you perceive as racism by intelligent and thoughtful dialogue, which you are good at when you don't include the snide remarks, cheap shots and crying 'racist' for the 100th time.

Except that is never what happens. Generally, in the past, people come in and try to do exactly what you have said, only to be responded to with "Oh here comes the PC brigade! PC gone mad! Snowflakes!"... from those who would accuse others of "shutting down their views" in petty ways

But by all means, carry on pretending like you haven't seen that happening. I understand the compulsion to support the underdog. It's a bit disingenuous but I fully understand that you feel bad for Brillo, and even why.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Except that is never what happens. Generally, in the past, people come in and try to do exactly what you have said, only to be responded to with "Oh here comes the PC brigade! PC gone mad! Snowflakes!"... from those who would accuse others of "shutting down their views" in petty ways

But by all means, carry on pretending like you haven't seen that happening. I understand the compulsion to support the underdog. It's a bit disingenuous but I fully understand that you feel bad for Brillo, and even why.

Come off it. How many threads of Brillo's did you get shut down in the past or derailed by coming in and slinging insults and belittling her? That type of behaviour (and not just by you of course, but frequently by you) was far more prevalent than any snowflake remarks.

But of course you insist Brillo is racist and she just doesn't realise it, according to you. And according to you, you understand that I feel bad for her and even why. You insist that you know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. Such arrogance.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Come off it. How many threads of Brillo's did you get shut down in the past or derailed by coming in and slinging insults and belittling her? That type of behaviour (and not just by you of course, but frequently by you) was far more prevalent than any snowflake remarks.

But of course you insist Brillo is racist and she just doesn't realise it, according to you. And according to you, you understand that I feel bad for her and even why. You insist that you know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. Such arrogance.

Considering that the options are that she says racist things and doesn't realise it, or that she says racist things and DOES realise it, I'm actually assuming the best by suggesting that she doesn't. I'd also like to know which insults I've supposedly slung other than stating my opinion that the posts are racist in content... because I'm pretty sure there are none. So we're back to it just being that no one is "allowed to" say that they find a post / post-er to be racist. Why? Why is that opinion invalid? Is it always invalid? Is no one EVER allowed to find ANYTHING to be racist? I'm pretty sure that's the answer that's being driven for here and it's just ****ing nonsense.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Considering that the options are that she says racist things and doesn't realise it, or that she says racist things and DOES realise it, I'm actually assuming the best by suggesting that she doesn't. I'd also like to know which insults I've supposedly slung other than stating my opinion that the posts are racist in content... because I'm pretty sure there are none. So we're back to it just being that no one is "allowed to" say that they find a post / post-er to be racist. Why? Why is that opinion invalid? Is it always invalid? Is no one EVER allowed to find ANYTHING to be racist? I'm pretty sure that's the answer that's being driven for here and it's just ****ing nonsense.

You don't recall getting threads of Brillo's closed or derailed by coming in and mocking them in the past? Okay then.

It's your perception that she says racist things, so you don't get to decide that she is and doesn't realise it. What matters is what she knows is in her own heart and mind.
Just because someone is against mass emigration and certain religious practises doesn't automatically make them a racist. Someone would have to make a very strong insult or definite statement against another race for me to go down the road of calling them a racist, mainly because I think the word is slung about far too often nowadays. It is belittling and diluting what real racism is.

People can have some negative views of certain aspects of other people, of other religions, of other races. It's allowed, it's called individuality, it isn't horrible and it isn't unusual. Different stokes for different folks. It's human. I wonder what they say about us...hmmm...lol
I personally am strongly against racism, and I honestly don't see Brillo, or anyone else on this forum as truly racist.

Now, if they spew venom, incite violence, hurt, kill or maim in the name of their views, that's a whole different thing.

Pertaining to religions - what do you think of the way the Christian religion and a belief in God is mocked and thought of as hilariously stupid by many on this forum? I don't recall you having a problem with that or have I missed it?
Brillo doesn't mock, she states her views in a respectful way and therefore deserves respectful dialogue in return, even if those views are not to someones liking.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Someone having an opinion on someone else's opinion is not 'character assassination'. It's a silly claim that only tries to shut down opposing opinions. Honestly, a lot of the people who claim Political Correctness is the devil are strangely for it when it benefits them.

You can't have it one way but not the other, if people are free to spout opinions that seem racist then other people are allowed to share their opinions that they are being racist. Making out that they are being insulting by calling out racism or the other methods used to silence opposing opinions is just being overly political correct in the way you claim to hate.

Opinion is opinion and everyone is entitled to it but it’s how it is expressed that counts a lot. If I kept using the same kind of language towards TS and others that they think they have a right to use towards me because they don’t agree with my opinions I would be treated very differently. Many others can see that how ever much you try to deny it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

@Brillo

I don't despise you Brillo. I even agree with you sometimes but when it comes to Muslims and immigrants, you don't come over well.

IF I tried to treat Muslims the way many treat women then you might have a point.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

You don't recall getting threads of Brillo's closed or derailed by coming in and mocking them in the past? Okay then.

It's your perception that she says racist things, so you don't get to decide that she is and doesn't realise it. What matters is what she knows is in her own heart and mind.
Just because someone is against mass emigration and certain religious practises doesn't automatically make them a racist. Someone would have to make a very strong insult or definite statement against another race for me to go down the road of calling them a racist, mainly because I think the word is slung about far too often nowadays. It is belittling and diluting what real racism is.

People can have some negative views of certain aspects of other people, of other religions, of other races. It's allowed, it's called individuality, it isn't horrible and it isn't unusual. Different stokes for different folks. It's human. I wonder what they say about us...hmmm...lol
I personally am strongly against racism, and I honestly don't see Brillo, or anyone else on this forum as truly racist.

Now, if they spew venom, incite violence, hurt, kill or maim in the name of their views, that's a whole different thing.

Pertaining to religions - what do you think of the way the Christian religion and a belief in God is mocked and thought of as hilariously stupid by many on this forum? I don't recall you having a problem with that or have I missed it?
Brillo doesn't mock, she states her views in a respectful way and therefore deserves respectful dialogue in return, even if those views are not to someones liking.

Jet you are a tonic and just what the forum needs, reasoned articulate reposts and I agree with every word

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Opinion is opinion and everyone is entitled to it but it’s how it is expressed that counts a lot. If I kept using the same kind of language towards TS and others that they think they have a right to use towards me because they don’t agree with my opinions I would be treated very differently. Many others can see that how ever much you try to deny it.

And this is the crux of the point being made

[user104658]

Except that half of it is pure fantasy. Still not even one vague attempt to explain the private school thread? I gave a specific example and no one, not even Brillo, has attempted to explain how it is in any way "not racist". Completely ignored. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Except that half of it is pure fantasy. Still not even one vague attempt to explain the private school thread? I gave a specific example and no one, not even Brillo, has attempted to explain how it is in any way "not racist". Completely ignored. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative?

I actually didn't see it and i have a pretty good memory, might have been away or something, plus I don't go into every thread, post the link maybe?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

And this is the crux of the point being made

Yes it is, and I can see that the new tactic is to make out that Brillo is a reasoned, measured and polite orator who always posts things in a thoughtful and balanced manner and is now being unfairly targeted.

I mean come on. There are and have been MANY members on this site who fit that description... I can fully admit that most of the time I'm not one of them but, ffs, Brillo is not one either. Genuinely ridiculous argument.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes it is, and I can see that the new tactic is to make out that Brillo is a reasoned, measured and polite orator who always posts things in a thoughtful and balanced manner and is now being unfairly targeted.

I mean come on. There are and have been MANY members on this site who fit that description... I can fully admit that most of the time I'm not one of them but, ffs, Brillo is not one either. Genuinely ridiculous argument.

In my defence I have never seen Brillo mock someone's opinion unless she is attacked but again I don't go into every thread, I did a search for the private school thing and can't find it, I can only go by what I read, incidentally do you ever sleep..

[Josy]

This threads a mess. similar to the way most threads in here turn out these days....

ANYONE is entitled to their opinion on here and is entitled to express that opinion or on the other hand question that opinion, as long as it's all done in a respectful way and is within the forum rules.

But seriously stop this constant arguing, it's not debates going on in this section its silly tit for tat comments amongst the same members a majority of the time.