[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I guess it depends on how many other people don't bother to make an application or provide evidence for years on end.

I know in your world everything seems simple and when people lose out or nearly get deported, its simply because they didn't bother to do their due diligence. What a selfish thought Maybe she's like 8 million other Brits who can't read or write?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I know in your world everything seems simple and when people lose out or nearly get deported, its simply because they didn't bother to do their due diligence. What a selfish thought Maybe she's like 8 million other Brits who can't read or write?

Discussions were going on for more than long enough for her to say "I can't read or write btw."

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I know in your world everything seems simple and when people lose out or nearly get deported, its simply because they didn't bother to do their due diligence. What a selfish thought Maybe she's like 8 million other Brits who can't read or write?

But in your world everyone needs everything done for them, there seems to be no personal responsibility, it says she has kids so maybe they could have assisted her if she was unable to read her write, she helps out in the church could she not have asked one of them. I doubt she will miss out on her free bus pass or OAP when it comes due, I don't agree with what was done here and personally think it is terrible that someone who has been here for 50 years would be treated in this way, someone along the way let the computer do the thinking and commonsense went out the window, just another person in the public sector who couldn't be arsed to do their job properly.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

But in your world everyone needs everything done for them, there seems to be no personal responsibility, it says she has kids so maybe they could have assisted her if she was unable to read her write, she helps out in the church could she not have asked one of them. I doubt she will miss out on her free bus pass or OAP when it comes due, I don't agree with what was done here and personally think it is terrible that someone who has been here for 50 years would be treated in this way, someone along the way let the computer do the thinking and commonsense went out the window, just another person in the public sector who couldn't be arsed to do their job properly.

Wait a minute she has lived and worked here for 50yrs and only after paying in and she's due her pension they say she can't be here?...

Do you think that the private sector could run anything better... Give me one example of where that has actually happened, just one.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wait a minute she has lived and worked here for 50yrs and only after paying in and she's due her pension they say she can't be here?...

Do you think that the private sector could run anything better... Give me one example of where that has actually happened, just one.

Personal responsibility in that she had been asked to make an application and she didn't despite 3 years of consultation

I never claimed the private sector could do it any better, but this Department is run by the public sector

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Personal responsibility in that she had been asked to make an application and she didn't despite 3 years of consultation

I never claimed the private sector could do it any better, but this Department is run by the public sector

Like any department they are run to 'targets' they'll have a quota to get rid off.. cherry picking the old and vulnerable will be easy pickings.

And so to it would be easy for the department to trace this woman via, health, tax, welfare, council records, schools, they just choose not to, or rather they are tasked with so many decisions to be made per day they don't have the time to aid her.
She is just 1 of 100 decisions made a day...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ay-home-office

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Like any department they are run to 'targets' they'll have a quota to get rid off.. cherry picking the old and vulnerable will be easy pickings.

And so to it would be easy for the department to trace this woman via, health, tax, welfare, council records, schools, they just choose not to, or rather they are tasked with so many decisions to be made per day they don't have the time to aid her.
She is just 1 of 100 decisions made a day...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ay-home-office

They wasted 3 years in consultation,this started long before Brexit, that doesn't sound like they were railroading her out of the country, she would still be entitled to a full pension even if she was in Jamaica given she has paid over 35 years of NI , it's basically comes down to someone not applying common sense

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They wasted 3 years in consultation,this started long before Brexit, that doesn't sound like they were railroading her out of the country, she would still be entitled to a full pension even if she was in Jamaica given she has paid over 35 years of NI , it's basically comes down to someone not applying common sense

It states she stuck her head in the sand about it, that said even when she did ask for help and advice what good was it?
Far from accessing paper trails, data or records she was sent to a detention centre... :/ How?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

But in your world everyone needs everything done for them, there seems to be no personal responsibility, it says she has kids so maybe they could have assisted her if she was unable to read her write, she helps out in the church could she not have asked one of them. I doubt she will miss out on her free bus pass or OAP when it comes due, I don't agree with what was done here and personally think it is terrible that someone who has been here for 50 years would be treated in this way, someone along the way let the computer do the thinking and commonsense went out the window, just another person in the public sector who couldn't be arsed to do their job properly.

Not at all, I raised my kids to be independent and take responsibility for their own actions but I also raised them with the understanding that empathy and kindness costs nothing.

One in five adults in the UK can't read or write. One in twenty adults in the UK can only read and write up to a 5 year olds standard. Most adults who can't read or write live in shame and rarely ask for help.

We don't know if she had reading or writing problems. Perhaps she did just ignore the letters; perhaps she was more than capable of reading those letters or filling in those application forms but didn't bother. We don't know but because we don't know, we shouldn't presume that she and others just 'can't be bothered'.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Not at all, I raised my kids to be independent and take responsibility for their own actions but I also raised them with the understanding that empathy and kindness costs nothing.

One in five adults in the UK can't read or write. One in twenty adults in the UK can only read and write up to a 5 year olds standard. Most adults who can't read or write live in shame and rarely ask for help.

We don't know if she had reading or writing problems. Perhaps she did just ignore the letters; perhaps she was more than capable of reading those letters or filling in those application forms but didn't bother. We don't know but because we don't know, we shouldn't presume that she and others just 'can't be bothered'.

Losers. I was writing to a 5 year olds standard by the time I was 20. You dont see me bragging about it.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Not at all, I raised my kids to be independent and take responsibility for their own actions but I also raised them with the understanding that empathy and kindness costs nothing.

One in five adults in the UK can't read or write. One in twenty adults in the UK can only read and write up to a 5 year olds standard. Most adults who can't read or write live in shame and rarely ask for help.

We don't know if she had reading or writing problems. Perhaps she did just ignore the letters; perhaps she was more than capable of reading those letters or filling in those application forms but didn't bother. We don't know but because we don't know, we shouldn't presume that she and others just 'can't be bothered'.

they still manage to get the lottery on tho I bet

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

they still manage to get the lottery on tho I bet

Do you have to fill in an application form to buy a lottery ticket

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Not at all, I raised my kids to be independent and take responsibility for their own actions but I also raised them with the understanding that empathy and kindness costs nothing.

One in five adults in the UK can't read or write. One in twenty adults in the UK can only read and write up to a 5 year olds standard. Most adults who can't read or write live in shame and rarely ask for help.

We don't know if she had reading or writing problems. Perhaps she did just ignore the letters; perhaps she was more than capable of reading those letters or filling in those application forms but didn't bother. We don't know but because we don't know, we shouldn't presume that she and others just 'can't be bothered'.

How many of those 1in 5 came here and didn’t bother to learn the language of the country they chose to live in. If you can’t speak it you can’t read it either. That is on those people not the country.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How many of those 1in 5 came here and didn’t bother to learn the language of the country they chose to live in. If you can’t speak it you can’t read it either. That is on those people not the country.

Not 1 in 5 immigrants, 1 in 5 of all citizenship in the UK. Does your lack of empathy extend to them too or is it just the immigrants you are spewing hate at?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not 1 in 5 immigrants, 1 in 5 of all citizenship in the UK. Does your lack of empathy extend to them too or is it just the immigrants you are spewing hate at?

I am talking of 1 in 5 of all that live here. Likelihood is that a fair number of those that can’t read are those that came here but didn’t bother to integrate and learn the language/read. You call it hate I call it pointing out the facts.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How many of those 1in 5 came here and didn’t bother to learn the language of the country they chose to live in. If you can’t speak it you can’t read it either. That is on those people not the country.

Well these two obviously speak English! Jamaicans generally speak 'Jamaican English'