[Oliver_W]

That general part of the world is a mess, people kill each other all the time over there. I bet they utilise burkhas fairly often too. But that has no relevance to face coverings here.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That general part of the world is a mess, people kill each other all the time over there. I bet they utilise burkhas fairly often too. But that has no relevance to face coverings here.

And who made it a mess? who caused the present mayhem? Who trained ISIS? Who gave ISIS their weapons? Who invaded their countries? who toppled their governments? Who put sanctions on those countries, sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents? Are you even aware that for every westerner killed by a Muslim, a hundred Muslims have been killed by westerners and that includes 9/11.

Yes its a mess, but the west, mainly the U.S is responsible for much of that mess. The United States has killed a very large number of Muslim individuals over the past three decades and most of them were just innocent bystanders.

As tragic as it is when we see terrorist attacks on our own shores. As sad as it is to see our own innocent people being attacked by random Muslim terrorists; the saying, 'you reap what you sow' meaning, you will eventually have to face up to the consequence of your actions, has never been more meaningful than it has at this present time.

Every innocent life lost is a tragedy. Not understanding why this tragedy is happening to us in the hear and now is also a tragedy.

Edited to add: The propaganda would like us to believe our battle is with IS and yet we talk about Muslims and IS as though they were the same thing. IS kill Muslims. IS kill Christians. Who is our battle really with and who are we actually fighting?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

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Y'mean because of how peaceful the Middle East was before the Sykes-Picot Agreement?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Y'mean because of how peaceful the Middle East was before the Sykes-Picot Agreement?

Our division of the Ottoman empire did change the course of history in the middle east and was an immoral act by the west that made that entire area more unstable and unpredictable. Everything since then has been about securing and preserving borders. Colonialism never really left the shores of that region. Whilst we became the protectorates of some, we became the enemies of others.

But I wasn’t meaning colonialism, though obviously that is the very root of the problem, I was talking war that was based on an American lie. Going in and leveling cities and re-establishing one puppet government with another. This was about taking over oil fields from an awkward dictator. It was about improving oil security for the U.S. This was about setting up a pricing cartel and save the U.S economy. The reason we took out Sadam ‘the axis of evil’ is because he switched oil from dollars to euros and the reason we are still gunning for Iran is because Iran did the same.

We, the West, have hardly minded our own business. Oil is more precious than gold and we got our hands very dirty in the handling of getting what we deemed to be our fare-share.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

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We, we, we. I have no interest in collective blame. I can't take credit for white men on the moon, all muslims can't share the blame for terrorist acts, just like how Westerners in general can't share the blame for illadvised actions in the Middle East.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

We, we, we. I have no interest in collective blame. I can't take credit for white men on the moon, all muslims can't share the blame for terrorist acts, just like how Westerners in general can't share the blame for illadvised actions in the Middle East.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

We, we, we. I have no interest in collective blame. I can't take credit for white men on the moon, all muslims can't share the blame for terrorist acts, just like how Westerners in general can't share the blame for illadvised actions in the Middle East.

I'm damn well taking credit for my honky brothers who landed on the moon. That **** is all me.

If you want to blame anyone for Muslim terrorism, blame the crazy Jews. They started off this insanity with their goddamn holy book crammed full of crazy **** about talking snakes, parting seas and god texting mountains.

Kill all the Jews, and Muslim terrorism would never have happened. If only someone in history had tried this...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm damn well taking credit for my honky brothers who landed on the moon. That **** is all me.

If you want to blame anyone for Muslim terrorism, blame the crazy Jews. They started off this insanity with their goddamn holy book crammed full of crazy **** about talking snakes, parting seas and god texting mountains.

Kill all the Jews, and Muslim terrorism would never have happened. If only someone in history had tried this...

1) We're not ALL crazy, it's only about 94% of us.
2) We're not that easy to **** with anymore, and
3) Without the Jews you and your honky brothers would still be earthbound.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

We, we, we. I have no interest in collective blame. I can't take credit for white men on the moon, all muslims can't share the blame for terrorist acts, just like how Westerners in general can't share the blame for illadvised actions in the Middle East.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather

We, we, we. I have no interest in collective blame. I can't take credit for white men on the moon, all muslims can't share the blame for terrorist acts, just like how Westerners in general can't share the blame for illadvised actions in the Middle East.

Collective?!?! have you never heard of an editorial ‘we’?
“we Brits get a lot of rain"
“we are a collective power”
“We as a country mourned the death of Princess Diana"

'We' is often used as a bond of empathy when there's a national tragedy or to represent humanity in general. I used it as an inclusive pronoun to the West, not to the individual; but I suspect you know that and your just spouting facetious outrage.