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Christmas Dynasnow · 18-12-2017, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Wow LT, you're sure going hard on the victim blaming here, huh?

Nope just stating what everyone is thinking. Many predators around, dont make it easy for them.

Tom4784 · 18-12-2017, 07:22 PM

Yes, silly her, she's only got herself to blame for being murdered because she got a taxi. You've blamed her more than I've seen you condemn the killer, LT.

bots · 18-12-2017, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes, silly her, she's only got herself to blame for being murdered because she got a taxi. You've blamed her more than I've seen you condemn the killer, LT.

perspective. It was the Lebanon, not london. There is a bigger risk of attack happening there than in the UK. So we can hardly compare a taxi ride in london with one in the lebanon either.

When one goes abroad, you have to take responsibility for your own security as best as you can. Its not saying its their own fault. Its understanding that the world is full of dangerous places that can't be compared to safer areas,

Candy Annie Cane · 18-12-2017, 07:23 PM

Poor girl..thoughts to ger family

Brother Leon · 18-12-2017, 09:31 PM

I took Taxis everywhere when I was in Beirut. It's essentially the way to get around if you aren't driving as there isn't Buses/Trains etc. Anyone blaming her for doing that is being foolish. Yeah, it may have been back in 2013, but I felt safe throughout my stay there and considering she lived there then it's safe to say she felt the same. It's just a terrible incident that could happen anywhere.

Christmas Dynasnow · 19-12-2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon

I took Taxis everywhere when I was in Beirut. It's essentially the way to get around if you aren't driving as there isn't Buses/Trains etc. Anyone blaming her for doing that is being foolish. Yeah, it may have been back in 2013, but I felt safe throughout my stay there and considering she lived there then it's safe to say she felt the same. It's just a terrible incident that could happen anywhere.

you are a man are you not?

Brother Leon · 19-12-2017, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

you are a man are you not?

Point being? I could easily have been mugged as a tourist etc. Should she blamed then for being a woman?

Your victim blaming is embarrassing.

bots · 20-12-2017, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Point being? I could easily have been mugged as a tourist etc. Should she blamed then for being a woman?

Your victim blaming is embarrassing.

i think its quite unfair to say that LT is victim blaming.

At some point people have to be responsible for their own actions. If you are in a position where you could be vulnerable, you protect yourself as best you can. Its not her fault, and I would never blame her for the incident, but personal safety does require thought and action by each and every one of us. We cannot just assume someone else will look out for us.

If you are out on a motor cycle without a helmet and a car crashes into you, you blame the driver of the car, but you could have improved your chances of avoiding serious injury if you had worn a helmet.

Christmas Dynasnow · 20-12-2017, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think its quite unfair to say that LT is victim blaming.

At some point people have to be responsible for their own actions. If you are in a position where you could be vulnerable, you protect yourself as best you can. Its not her fault, and I would never blame her for the incident, but personal safety does require thought and action by each and every one of us. We cannot just assume someone else will look out for us.

If you are out on a motor cycle without a helmet and a car crashes into you, you blame the driver of the car, but you could have improved your chances of avoiding serious injury if you had worn a helmet.

Indeed, hindsight is a grand thing of course but taking sensible precautions limits the opportunist.

What is ironic is the same people falling over themselves to shout "victim-blaming" are the same ones who decry the McCanns and have not once blamed the person who abducted Madeleine.

plus ca change

Christmas Dynasnow · 20-12-2017, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Point being? I could easily have been mugged as a tourist etc. Should she blamed then for being a woman?

Your victim blaming is embarrassing.

You were not mugged and she wasnt either. If you have a point to make make it and leave the school ground stuff for chat and games.

bots · 19-12-2017, 09:03 AM

i've taken "approved" taxis in dodgy places. It doesn't mean they are safe. While someone can experience no issues while travelling, it doesn't mean others won't. You play a numbers game, and its best to be alert just in case. It's always tragic when life is taken away, and of course the blame lies entirely with the perpetrator, but it still doesn't make a dodgy place a safe place to be.

Christmas Dynasnow · 19-12-2017, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've taken "approved" taxis in dodgy places. It doesn't mean they are safe. While someone can experience no issues while travelling, it doesn't mean others won't. You play a numbers game, and its best to be alert just in case. It's always tragic when life is taken away, and of course the blame lies entirely with the perpetrator, but it still doesn't make a dodgy place a safe place to be.

any young woman taking a cab at or after midnight alone puts herself in jeopardy even in the UK but especially so in places such as that

ChristmasNeeve · 19-12-2017, 09:55 AM

I didn't realise men couldn't be murdered, silly me

Christmas Dynasnow · 19-12-2017, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

I didn't realise men couldn't be murdered, silly me

what is silly is ignoring the elephant in the room..

ChristmasNeeve · 19-12-2017, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

what is silly is ignoring the elephant in the room..

What are you talking about? That she was raped? A man may be less likely to be raped but he could be robbed and murdered yet you think it's fine for men to not cower at home for fear of someone doing something to them. It feels like oppression to be quite honest. Women should stay home so they don't get raped

Christmas Dynasnow · 19-12-2017, 10:19 AM

There is no legislation specifically outlawing sexual harassment in Lebanon

Only this year the parliament in Lebanon voted to abolish an article in the penal code exempting rapists from punishment if they marry their victims.

"Women in the country frequently complain about unwanted comments from men as they walk down the street, men masturbating next to them on buses or in cabs and even physical assaults."

https://stepfeed.com/lebanon-says-me...arassment-7470

Dont need to cower at home but do need NOT to go home alone after a night out. Basic precautions.

ChristmasNeeve · 19-12-2017, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

There is no legislation specifically outlawing sexual harassment in Lebanon

Only this year the parliament in Lebanon voted to abolish an article in the penal code exempting rapists from punishment if they marry their victims.

"Women in the country frequently complain about unwanted comments from men as they walk down the street, men masturbating next to them on buses or in cabs and even physical assaults."

https://stepfeed.com/lebanon-says-me...arassment-7470

Dont need to cower at home but do need NOT to go home alone after a night out. Basic precautions.

But men are fine because there's no way they could be mugged or assaulted or kidnapped for ransom (especially as a British diplomat because apparently that happens there mostly with businessmen).... Men never get assaulted, not common at all, no sir-ee, oh but that isn't the issue though is it? Men will never cower away because they're men but women should, got it.

Christmas Dynasnow · 19-12-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

But men are fine because there's no way they could be mugged or assaulted or kidnapped for ransom (especially as a British diplomat because apparently that happens there mostly with businessmen).... Men never get assaulted, not common at all, no sir-ee, oh but that isn't the issue though is it? Men will never cower away because they're men but women should, got it.

Well if I was talking about men but I am not I am talking about young women.

if you wish to make a thread about young men in Lebanon feel free to do so.

ChristmasNeeve · 19-12-2017, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

Well if I was talking about men but I am not I am talking about young women.

if you wish to make a thread about young men in Lebanon feel free to do so.

Are you telling me what I can and can't post now? how about no. This is perfectly on topic, how dare you try and take some blame off the guy who actually murdered this girl and how dare you try to use it as a way to tell women they shouldn't do things on their own or else it's their own fault if something happens to them. If it were a man who was the victim here, I bet this topic of him being on his own would never have arisen.

Christmas Dynasnow · 19-12-2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Are you telling me what I can and can't post now? how about no. This is perfectly on topic, how dare you try and take some blame off the guy who actually murdered this girl and how dare you try to use it as a way to tell women they shouldn't do things on their own or else it's their own fault if something happens to them. If it were a man who was the victim here, I bet this topic of him being on his own would never have arisen.

I am telling you despite your best efforts to deny that the women put herself in danger I am not talking about men nor am i telling women to stay at home. You cannot "win" an argument by just using the most extreme example every time

So the murderer is not to blame eh

So women must stay at home

So men dont get murdered

er no - in mo0st cases you seem to be telling me what I am saying - please desist