[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Spoiler:

Even the Tardis has rejected the idea of the doctor not being a man

Ffs

[Scarlett.]

What an odd episode, last ten minutes or so were good though!

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

The Tardis rejected Matt Smith too and hurtled to earth hoping to kill him but we were still stuck with it for 4 years.

[Tom4784]

I liked it, I thought the first half was a bit boring but it redeemed itself in the last half. The story was nothing more than an excuse to facilitate the crossover of the doctors and that crossover wasn't that great but it all came together in the end, I thought.

Originally Posted by armand.kay

What I don't understand about this why were they so insistent on the the first doctor being sexist? The doctor is meant to be an alien who can time travel why, WHY would he be so stuck in this 1960s mentality. Also I've watched the classic series and of the few William Hartnell serials that survived I don't think I at all remember him asking any of his companions to do the dusting lol.

Yeah, I thought this was strange and it didn't make much sense especially given what we know of Gallifrey, you wouldn't think sexism would be a thing on a planet when anyone could end up switching genders.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yeah, I thought this was strange and it didn't make much sense especially given what we know of Gallifrey, you wouldn't think sexism would be a thing on a planet when anyone could end up switching genders.

great point lol I didn't even think of that... also I'm not normally bothered by things like this but the whole "haha he's sexist but its funny so you've got to love him" thing didn't really sit right with me

[Marsh.]

I thought it was silly to mix the episode footage with original clips as it just highlighted the recast and made everything seem fake.

They should've just got on with it.

[Glenn.]

Good episode I thought. Full of nice moments.

I was a bit wary of how I would actually feel when Jodie appeared but oh my god

Cannot wait for the new series

[Glenn.]

I also loved how Steven Moffat put another spin on the Daleks. Those creepy crawling mutants are a story all on their own

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I liked it, I thought the first half was a bit boring but it redeemed itself in the last half. The story was nothing more than an excuse to facilitate the crossover of the doctors and that crossover wasn't that great but it all came together in the end, I thought.



Yeah, I thought this was strange and it didn't make much sense especially given what we know of Gallifrey, you wouldn't think sexism would be a thing on a planet when anyone could end up switching genders.

The Doctor looked down at humans for "gender norms" and whatnot in the episode (or 2 episodes before) this one, so they must've either became VERY tolerant after the 1st Doctor or just needed someone to contrast the sexism and lead up to the female Doctor??

[Scarlett.]

I didn't mind Moffat overall, he had good and bad episodes, but I'm glad we're moving into a new era again.

[Saph]

how did bills story end?

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Are you really still beating this misogynistic drum?

I tend to find that most of the people I know saying the Doctor Who has been ruined and they will not watch it, because the Doctor should be a man, always, are women. Are women misogynistic?

One female I know even posted on facebook, this morning they will not be watching until Jodi leaves.

This has been a politically correct decision according to some which has wrecked the show.

[Oliver_W]

I feel like Moffat has never watched an episode of the First Doctor, because he was never like the sexist portrayal of this episode. At worst he called his female companions "my child" or similar, but he called his male ones "dear boy/my boy", and didn't even bother to learn Chesterton's name!

Originally Posted by Saph

how did bills story end?

The real Bill is still presumably travelling the universe with her puddle girlfriend, the Bill we saw here was a copy rather than a continuation of the original Bill.

[Oliver_W]

I can't remember if I've already posted this, but I'll be really sad to see Capaldi go - Tennant's Farewell Parade of Death made me hate him so much I couldn't watch him again for ages, but before that I'd have been happy for him to stay; I really liked Matt Smith in the role but I kind of felt like his story was "finished"; but Capaldi has so much more potential, he's probably the best actor to fill the role, and I'd like to have seen him under a better showrunner than Moffat.

[Saph]

on a side note, did anyone watch the vicar of dibley xmas special the other night, I never realized Capaldi was the "will you marry me" guy I must've seen that 100 times

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I tend to find that most of the people I know saying the Doctor Who has been ruined and they will not watch it, because the Doctor should be a man, always, are women. Are women misogynistic?

One female I know even posted on facebook, this morning they will not be watching until Jodi leaves.

This has been a politically correct decision according to some which has wrecked the show.

Well nobody can say the show is wrecked as we haven't actually seen it in action yet.

And, yes, women can be misogynistic.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I tend to find that most of the people I know saying the Doctor Who has been ruined and they will not watch it, because the Doctor should be a man, always, are women. Are women misogynistic?

One female I know even posted on facebook, this morning they will not be watching until Jodi leaves.

This has been a politically correct decision according to some which has wrecked the show.

Oh? Have you watched the new series then? If not then how can you say it's ruined?

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh? Have you watched the new series then? If not then how can you say it's ruined?

It is the females I am quoting who say it is ruined, I am merely reporting what is being said.

[Firewire]

Do you work for a newspaper?

[Ashley.]

You haven't quoted anyone. All you've said is "females have said this too", which is a dire, overused way of trying to justify why you're allowed to say misogynistic things.

[Sticks]

One is someone from church, who until this announcement was a dedicated fan, another was someone I used to work with, who posted on Facebook.

They are real people, I am not making them up

These are at least two females, one would have expected to be more accommodating, who believed that The Doctor should not be of their gender. The rule I have heard once is for every person who voices a complaint there are quite a lot more who agree, but have kept stum

The only opinion I voiced is the question have the producers miscalculated given that some females have criticised this. Did they not realise they might have alienated a core group of female fans with this decision, which critics said was driven by political correctness.

I have already said I will tune in to see how it works out, where as my female friends point blankly refuse to do even that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

It is the females I am quoting who say it is ruined, I am merely reporting what is being said.

By who?

Repeating that it's being said by women doesn't mean it's not sexist rubbish.

[MB.]

"It is the females I am quoting" is definitely a sentence that someone who's ever spoken to a woman in his life would say, I agree

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I tend to find that most of the people I know saying the Doctor Who has been ruined and they will not watch it, because the Doctor should be a man, always, are women. Are women misogynistic?

One female I know even posted on facebook, this morning they will not be watching until Jodi leaves.

This has been a politically correct decision according to some which has wrecked the show.

You should really find better arguments than "most people disagreeing are women" to support this argument. Good for that woman who won't watch until Jodie leaves! I'm sure Chibnall is quaking at having one less viewer.
As Marsh said, yes, women can be misogynistic.

Say it's different and it's new and it'll take time to get used to sure, but to agree with the statement "the Doctor should be a man" is ridiculous.

Remember Sydney Newman?? Well he wanted the Doctor to regenerate into a woman (and references that the public theorised on actresses to play the Doctor - showing people were willing for such a simple yet seemingly drastic change even back then). For over three decades, the concept of having a female Doctor has been in the air, and I'm sure there was a female Doctor in that Comic Relief special with Rowan Atkinson. The aforementioned source mentions even Russel T Davies has expressed interest in a female Doctor, and I'm certain the 11th Doctor checked for an Adam's apple to confirm that he's still a male and not a woman.
Ever since Moffatt took over, he's established that Time Lords can change genders: referencing how the Corsair changed gender in the Doctor's Wife (which was 2011 I imagine??), the General in Hell Bent, and of course, Missy, who was absolutely amazing and one of the best incarnations of the Master, in my opinion.

In short: The idea of a female Doctor has been in the air since at least pre-Sylvester McCoy (Over 30 years - over half the series' running time of 54 years), a lot of the showrunners and writers (Sydney Newman, Russel T Davies, Steven Moffatt, and of course, Chris Chibnall), many of which have been regarded as highly respected and talented (and know a lot more about the lore of Doctor Who than the general public/average viewer/seemingly you since you're under some belief that the Doctor 'has to be a man') are all in favour of a female Doctor, and it has been established that Time Lords can change sex in-show for at least seven years (I'm unsure about other media and I know the Comic Relief special is non-canonical but the idea was toyed with even back then in 1999), so really, there's nothing to say the Doctor can't be a woman. And if your only argument is Bertha the Tesco Worker being a woman and against the idea, then I'm sorry but she's not really a credible source!

The Doctor's character and characteristics have never been defined by him being a man, so the Doctor being a woman won't change that.

[Firewire]

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