[waterhog]

has ann has the trauma india has been through ? point made.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by waterhog

has ann has the trauma india has been through ? point made.

Trauma ? Get a grip love ,being told you have cancer or you are terminably ill is a trauma

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by waterhog

has ann has the trauma india has been through ? point made.

yes, ann has had one romance in her whole life, she wanted children and love but probably due to her shyness and upbringing she denied herself that and focussed on her politics. she seems every bit a tortured soul as India

[GreenIce]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes, ann has had one romance in her whole life, she wanted children and love but probably due to her shyness and upbringing she denied herself that and focussed on her politics. she seems every bit a tortured soul as India

And she was regularly referred to as "Doris Karloff" in the press, that has to hurt even a woman as tough as Ann.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GreenIce

And she was regularly referred to as "Doris Karloff" in the press, that has to hurt even a woman as tough as Ann.

yes she has had far worse than India has ever had yet India seems to think her "journey" is a unique thing of suffering

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by waterhog

has ann has the trauma india has been through ? point made.

I think you are doing Ann a great disservice saying that hog. She wanted children but never had them. She has worked as a woman in a very male dominant world probably early on against a great deal of struggle and prejudice.

Are you implying that only people who choose to change gender feel trauma?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think you are doing Ann a great disservice saying that hog. She wanted children but never had them. She has worked as a woman in a very male dominant world probably early on against a great deal of struggle and prejudice.

Are you implying that only people who choose to change gender feel trauma?

Kind of hard to see this when Ann herself said she's never faced any prejudice as a woman in her political career.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by waterhog

has ann has the trauma india has been through ? point made.

Has India been through the same Trauma as Ann? No. She didn't grow up as a woman, fighting prejudice and discrimination especially when Ann grew up. India grew up as a man with all the advantages that brings. And she is still a newsreader. A job she acquired years ago when she was a man.

She has a teenage son who she has admitted is struggling with her transition and she thought the best way to tackle that was to go on to CBB and wander around wearing next to nothing. I am tired of looking at her partially naked body. She is an attention seeker and I don't think she's going to be any kind of help to the transgender community because she's self-absorbed and obnoxious.

[odd sock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Has India been through the same Trauma as Ann? No. She didn't grow up as a woman, fighting prejudice and discrimination especially when Ann grew up. India grew up as a man with all the advantages that brings. And she is still a newsreader. A job she acquired years ago when she was a man.

She has a teenage son who she has admitted is struggling with her transition and she thought the best way to tackle that was to go on to CBB and wander around wearing next to nothing. I am tired of looking at her partially naked body. She is an attention seeker and I don't think she's going to be any kind of help to the transgender community because she's self-absorbed and obnoxious.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Has India been through the same Trauma as Ann? No. She didn't grow up as a woman, fighting prejudice and discrimination especially when Ann grew up. India grew up as a man with all the advantages that brings. And she is still a newsreader. A job she acquired years ago when she was a man.

She has a teenage son who she has admitted is struggling with her transition and she thought the best way to tackle that was to go on to CBB and wander around wearing next to nothing. I am tired of looking at her partially naked body. She is an attention seeker and I don't think she's going to be any kind of help to the transgender community because she's self-absorbed and obnoxious.

Im sick of hearing that she's brave ( did she run in a burning house to rescue a baby ? No she didn't ) she had trauma, (so have cancer patients who have had their benefits stopped and been made to take a job) has she ever lived a life where she cannot pay her bills and lost her home ? No she hasn't, she's CHOSEN to swap sex at the age of 50 ,clearly upsetting her son ... She a selfish person who has put herself before her child, she's knows nothing of real trauma

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

She a selfish person who has put herself before her child, she's knows nothing of real trauma

welp

She can choose to live her life as she wishes

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by reece(:

welp

She can choose to live her life as she wishes

Yes she can ,as long as she damn well pays for the pleasure

[Livia]

Originally Posted by reece(:

welp

She can choose to live her life as she wishes

And we can all judge her like Judy for disregarding the feelings and wellbeing of her son and sticking herself on telly.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im sick of hearing that she's brave ( did she run in a burning house to rescue a baby ? No she didn't ) she had trauma, (so have cancer patients who have had their benefits stopped and been made to take a job) has she ever lived a life where she cannot pay her bills and lost her home ? No she hasn't, she's CHOSEN to swap sex at the age of 50 ,clearly upsetting her son ... She a selfish person who has put herself before her child, she's knows nothing of real trauma

Yes lot's of people have experienced trauma, it's not a competition.

Waterhog clearly only used Ann as a comparison on the basis of India's trauma being to do with issues relating to her body, and the question being asked of why Ann doesn't view or show her body in the same way as India does. It was a perfectly reasonable comment based on the comparison already made and wasn't meant to take anything away from Ann's experiences or cancer patients!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yes lot's of people have experienced trauma, it's not a competition.

Waterhog clearly only used Ann as a comparison on the basis of India's trauma being to do with issues relating to her body, and the question being asked of why Ann doesn't view or show her body in the same way as India does. It was a perfectly reasonable comment based on the comparison already made and wasn't meant to take anything away from Ann's experiences or cancer patients!

India CHOSES to show her body

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

India CHOSES to show her body

Yes? what does that have to do with what I said?

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im sick of hearing that she's brave ( did she run in a burning house to rescue a baby ? No she didn't ) she had trauma, (so have cancer patients who have had their benefits stopped and been made to take a job) has she ever lived a life where she cannot pay her bills and lost her home ? No she hasn't, she's CHOSEN to swap sex at the age of 50 ,clearly upsetting her son ... She a selfish person who has put herself before her child, she's knows nothing of real trauma

All of this is absolutely ridiculous. Deary me.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Livia

Has India been through the same Trauma as Ann? No. She didn't grow up as a woman, fighting prejudice and discrimination especially when Ann grew up. India grew up as a man with all the advantages that brings. And she is still a newsreader. A job she acquired years ago when she was a man.

She has a teenage son who she has admitted is struggling with her transition and she thought the best way to tackle that was to go on to CBB and wander around wearing next to nothing. I am tired of looking at her partially naked body. She is an attention seeker and I don't think she's going to be any kind of help to the transgender community because she's self-absorbed and obnoxious.

Yes i agree , where is her understanding of her son, getting yer tits out at every opportunity is hardly going to repair a fractured relationship - this is all about her getting airtime - god knows why but its certainly not about her son.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Yes i agree , where is her understanding of her son, getting yer tits out at every opportunity is hardly going to repair a fractured relationship - this is all about her getting airtime - god knows why but its certainly not about her son.

...what other 50 year old would do that? She entered the house a demure looking woman...shame she can't behave like a respectable 50 year old and more than anything consider the impact on her son....wearing gold skimpy bikinis and walking around naked...she is acting like a 24 year old diva...shame really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...what other 50 year old would do that? She entered the house a demure looking woman...shame she can't behave like a respectable 50 year old and more than anything consider the impact on her son....wearing gold skimpy bikinis and walking around naked...she is acting like a 24 year old diva...shame really.

But i think as people have said she still has male features like frame, hands and feet and to some extent a male mind and if she had a female mind she would be a little more demure?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But i think as people have said she still has male features like frame, hands and feet and to some extent a male mind and if she had a female mind she would be a little more demure?

Because all women are demure?

Have been so many women on BB over the years who are older and still exhibitionists. Denise Welch is probably the first that springs to mind tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Because all women are demure?

Have been so many women on BB over the years who are older and still exhibitionists. Denise Welch is probably the first that springs to mind tbh

But Denise had a sense of humour so could get away with it.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...what other 50 year old would do that? She entered the house a demure looking woman...shame she can't behave like a respectable 50 year old and more than anything consider the impact on her son....wearing gold skimpy bikinis and walking around naked...she is acting like a 24 year old diva...shame really.

Yes exactly - her son must be totally cringing at her behaviour and i think she will live to regret it sadly. All that posing in the sauna was completely uncalled for, nevermind the vile bikini choice.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...what other 50 year old would do that? She entered the house a demure looking woman...shame she can't behave like a respectable 50 year old and more than anything consider the impact on her son....wearing gold skimpy bikinis and walking around naked...she is acting like a 24 year old diva...shame really.

She doesn't have the same life experiences as most 50 year old woman (as gets frequently pointed as a reason for her to not be considered a woman), so I'm not sure why she would be expected to fit a stereotypical behaviour of 50 year old women? Or why anyone should have to fit a stereotypical behaviour tbh

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

She doesn't have the same life experiences as most 50 year old woman (as gets frequently pointed as a reason for her to not be considered a woman), so I'm not sure why she would be expected to fit a stereotypical behaviour of 50 year old women? Or why anyone should have to fit a stereotypical behaviour tbh

How do you know that ? she has had the same life experience of most 50 yr olds ,according to her and some folk on here she KNEW age 3 (Yes folks age THREE) she was a girl, so all her life until the op (paid for by the taxpayer) she should have thought and acted as a female if she didn't then she's a liar