[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by odd sock

I don't like India's attitude but in a way I feel sorry for him/her because whatever he/she has had cut off and added they will never fully pass as a woman, the voice is to deep and the features and mannerisms are to masculine to get away with the so called transition, some trans can pull it off but sadly not India.

Is that not any different to very effeminate men and very masculine women though?

[odd sock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Is that not any different to very effeminate men and very masculine women though?

yes it is, they are not trying to change their gender.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by odd sock

yes it is, they are not trying to change their gender.

That's not what I was responding to though.

You were talking about them "passing" as a woman.

[odd sock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's not what I was responding to though.

You were talking about them "passing" as a woman.

effeminate men are just that and butch girls also ... I don't get your point, they are not pretending to be someone of the opposite sex.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by odd sock

effeminate men are just that and butch girls also ... I don't get your point, they are not pretending to be someone of the opposite sex.

I never said they were.

You said things like her deep voice stop her ever passing as a woman, but as you say, there are butch girls so having masculine features doesn't stop someone being and passing as, a woman.

Kathleen Turner played a transsexual for this reason.