[Underscore]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

having an opinion is not wrong though, its forcing something upon others that is wrong. There seem to be a lot of members on this site that visibly lack tolerance of others opinions, which kind of defeats the object of being a member of a forum

I'm not intolerant of others opinions.
I'm not saying Ann shouldn't have those opinions.

I'm saying relatively, from my perspective, Ann's opinions are of a much higher magnitude and much more louder (obv not literally) than India's.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean voting against equality hurt hundreds of thousands in the past, that kind of over now...

Tonight specifically, im just assuming there was at least one young gay teen who watched tonights show who feels a lot worse about their sexuality than they did two hours ago. I'd also argue that some adults are disappointed in how stubborn other people can be. What type of people do you think felt positive after hearing Ann's words tonight?

but it is but one vote in a whole parliament. Ann was re-elected multiple times by her constituents in a democracy, and therefore was given the right to cast her vote

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean voting against equality hurt hundreds of thousands in the past, that kind of over now...

Tonight specifically, im just assuming there was at least one young gay teen who watched tonights show who feels a lot worse about their sexuality than they did two hours ago. I'd also argue that some adults are disappointed in how stubborn other people can be. What type of people do you think felt positive after hearing Ann's words tonight?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

but it is but one vote in a whole parliament. Ann was re-elected multiple times by her constituents in a democracy, and therefore was given the right to cast her vote

Yes thats all kinda over. But tonight specifically, I dont think its unlikely that she hurt more people on top of the ones she hurt in the past - so I guess my point still stands soz.

Also getting reelected doesnt mean she didnt hurt some of her constituents. Surely youre not implying Ann lived in a straight town for straight people who were against gay things.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean voting against equality hurt hundreds of thousands in the past, that kind of over now...

Tonight specifically, im just assuming there was at least one young gay teen who watched tonights show who feels a lot worse about their sexuality than they did two hours ago. I'd also argue that some adults are disappointed in how stubborn other people can be. What type of people do you think felt positive after hearing Ann's words tonight?

Oh please, you give her to much credit!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

but it is but one vote in a whole parliament. Ann was re-elected multiple times by her constituents in a democracy, and therefore was given the right to cast her vote

Elected members of parliament can still hurt people with their decisions though, even if they do have the right to do that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh please, you give her to much credit!

Perhaps. Or perhaps its an incredibly sensitive issue for young teens, and hearing someone of a similar age to their relatives express an opinion like this could be incredibly discouraging. Idk.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Elected members of parliament can still hurt people with their decisions though, even if they do have the right to do that.

yes of course they can, and that's why choosing your MP and voting is incredibly important. Being intolerant of others opinions is not the way to achieve a progressive society. I am 100% certain of that. That is much, much more dangerous.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Perhaps. Or perhaps its an incredibly sensitive issue for young teens, and hearing someone of a similar age to their relatives express an opinion like this could be incredibly discouraging. Idk.

I think it's incredibly rare for teens to take notice of their parents views never mind their grandparents and those that do are very much in the minority

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Not really. Ann has strong opinions and they are her opinions. They may be seen as old fashioned but they are her opinions.
Unfortunately India preaches and tries to enforce her opinions upon you and if you don't see it her way she struts off and has a hissy fit.
The difference between the two is one accepts that her opinion may differ from her own..and the other one doesn't.

This exactly.

[Withano]

Oh yeh India's a **** btw, I guess I didnt stay completely ontopic.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Do you know what I totally understand that.

But the way I see it is that India's opinions won't mean that you cannot adopt children or marry. Of course Ann is allowed to have her opinions but what magnifies it for me is she had power over the Law.

she doesn't have the sole power though....it's just her opinion amongst many.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Perhaps. Or perhaps its an incredibly sensitive issue for young teens, and hearing someone of a similar age to their relatives express an opinion like this could be incredibly discouraging. Idk.

But then Shane was there to counteract tbf

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jake.

But then Shane was there to counteract tbf

...and Shane debated it well...he didn't go off in a hissy fit because he is mature enough to debate unlike India.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jake.

But then Shane was there to counteract tbf

Yes, true. But 'Ann didnt hurt anyone' is what I responded to, she has and she probably did tonight too, fortunately Shane has presumably helped the people who were hurt by Ann's words on some level.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...and Shane debated it well...he didn't go off in a hissy fit because he is mature enough to debate unlike India.

Exactly. I thought it was such an interesting conversation, watching two people on the complete other ends of the spectrum discussing and debating in an adult like manner.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Exactly. I thought it was such an interesting conversation, watching two people on the complete other ends of the spectrum discussing and debating in an adult like manner.

100 per cent and he summed it up well right at the end, both respecting each other's views .,fantastic

[Marsh.]

Nothing would make me side with smelly India.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nothing would make me side with smelly India.

tbf I hate India more but just find her opinions slightly more tolerable

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes, true. But 'Ann didnt hurt anyone' is what I responded to, she has and she probably did tonight too, fortunately Shane has presumably helped the people who were hurt by Ann's words on some level.

Don't be ridiculous if you take this form as a straw poll you wouldn't get one young person who agreed with Ann and very few of the oldies either, that said i respect her right to air her views and follow her faith without censure

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Underscore

tbf I hate India more but just find her opinions slightly more tolerable

The opinion that Drag Queens shouldnt be seen as part of the LGBT community?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The opinion that Drag Queens shouldnt be seen as part of the LGBT community?

I think Adoption and Marriage > that

Both opinions are abominable though I must admit

[Underscore]

Like please don't think I'm condoning India's opinions at all, and it's not even worth making a comparison both of their opinions are awful in my view

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't be ridiculous if you take this form as a straw poll you wouldn't get one young person who agreed with Ann and very few of the oldies either, that said i respect her right to air her views and follow her faith without censure

Youve assumed that all young people would be confident in lgbt attitudes across the country though. Theyre not really, they gain a consensus from friends or tv, and that isn't as positive as tibb.

[pontyboi]

I still don't find India tolerable she's gone from having a phobia of drag queens to suddenly over coming it in one night.

She was just jealous there was someone else considered different in the house and Shane wiped the floor with his educated reactions to her irrational attention seeking.