[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

It is just pathetic that you are still spouting the rubbish about the DM not selling on their trains when it is the best selling newspaper by far and they are still selling the FT, The Times and the Mirror AND they have clearly stated the reasons they are not selling the Mail is that it doesn't tally with their own views Why are you ignoring that?

You state that a private company has a right to do what they want. Asher's Bakery turned down a customers request based on their beliefs. Are you saying that Christians have no right to believe what they do based on their belief in the Bible? I didn't agree with them, but feel they have a right to those beliefs just as I feel that right leaning paying customers have a right not to be dictated to as to what reading material is made available on their train journey based on the political affiliations of a company that is funded by millions of taxpayers money.
I guess it's fine to censor right leaning publications and now Christian beliefs too. Whatever is happening to freedom of speech and democracy. Scary.

Do you know what demographics are? Just because something is considered the best selling product doesn't mean it will be the best selling product across the board with all audiences and outlets. The demographic for Virgin trains obviously either doesn't buy Daily Mail or they bought it elsewhere and not on the train. Saying '_____ is the best selling item' doesn't automatically shut down an argument because it's not a true statement across the board. There's a few demographics that the Daily Mail has no hold with and if it's the case that most Virgin train users are apart of that demographic then it's only smart business sense to cater to your target audience, if sales are low because people buy their Daily Mail elsewhere then what is the point of wasting shelf space if your customers have bought the product elsewhere? It's not censorship, if the rail industry was still government owned then you might have an argument or if Daily Mail was completely banned on the train as well but this? This is a weak argument for censorship.

When did I say a private company has the right to do what they want? I said they have the right to choose what products they sell. Don't misrepresent my words to serve your warped argument. As for the Bakery stuff, I'm going to walk you through it since you don't understand what happened there and why it makes your attempt at a comparison so ridiculous.

A person walks into a bakery to order a cake, the bakery are like 'sure, that's fine, what's the specs?' He explains what the cake is for and they refuse him service because he is gay. This is not choosing what products to sell or not sell, this is denying someone service based on nothing more than their sexuality. That is discrimination. The Christian defence is dumb and insulting towards Christians. Did these bakers demand to know whether every child they made a birthday cake was conceived out of wedlock? I doubt it and I doubt the bakers would mind offering products that would have gone against the teachings of their religion because they pick and chose the parts of the religion to follow so they CHOSE to discriminate against a gay person. Nobody follows their religion to the letter, it's impossible so if someone chooses to use their religion to justify discriminating against someone then that is THEIR choice and the consequences of that choice are theirs' alone to deal with. Religion is not a shield for people who discriminate against others.
Trying to compare this with a retailer choosing not to sell a product is silly, tonedeaf and just beggars belief tbh. One of the most laughable comparisons I've seen in a long while.

Who is dictating what people can or cannot read on trains? How many times does it need saying that no one is stopping people from reading the Daily Mail? If the Daily Mail actually ****ing sold on these trains then they wouldn't have taken them off sale. Common sense SHOULD dictate that people either buy their copies elsewhere or the Virgin Train demographic simply doesn't care for that paper.

As for the whole taxpayer business....You are aware that the train industry is privatised, yes? The government sold it off years ago. You can't claim use the taxpayer line against a private company.

As for your last hysterically funny line, how has freedom of speech or democracy as a whole been affected by this incident? Can you explain that to me? I'm utterly fascinated to hear what you have to say on the matter.