[Tom4784]

He wasn't sacked for no reason and if he was, his argument against Google in his lawsuit wouldn't have descended into parody by making statements like 'one person identifies as a ornate building' and he wouldn't go down the 'poor white hetero male route' either.

If he was just sacked for the memo itself then he'd have grounds for unlawful dismissal so why go for the joke lawsuit he went for?

The memo was stupid and it was exclusivity dressed up as inclusive suggestions. The reason why there aren't that many women in the tech industry is not because they aren't suited for it based on gender differences, those gender differences don't matter in the tech industry and he got a lot of the science behind his claims wrong in the first place.

James Damore is nothing but a wannabe victim.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He wasn't sacked for no reason and if he was, his argument against Google in his lawsuit wouldn't have descended into parody by making statements like 'one person identifies as a ornate building' and he wouldn't go down the 'poor white hetero male route' either.

If he was just sacked for the memo itself then he'd have grounds for unlawful dismissal so why go for the joke lawsuit he went for?

The memo was stupid and it was exclusivity dressed up as inclusive suggestions. The reason why there aren't that many women in the tech industry is not because they aren't suited for it based on gender differences, those gender differences don't matter in the tech industry and he got a lot of the science behind his claims wrong in the first place.

James Damore is nothing but a wannabe victim.

But there are people that disagree. Are they not allowed to take part in the discussion? That's pretty much the reasoning behind his lawsuit/manifesto... I don't agree with everything he believes or even how he uses his logic at some points, but I think that biology absolutely plays a role in how each gender performs in an intellectual space.

I'm a female in tech who writes code and even I know there are things that make me different from my male counterparts, but those are things are also what makes up my strengths as well. (over my male counterparts)

I welcome those discussions because we're able to see better where each side is coming from in an argument, rather than simply committing character assassinations simply because we perceive it to be a value difference in opinion.. when it's more likely it's an intellectual difference in opinion.

(Anyway that's my general disagreement.)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Maru

But there are people that disagree. Are they not allowed to take part in the discussion? That's pretty much the reasoning behind his lawsuit/manifesto... I don't agree with everything he believes or even how he uses his logic at some points, but I think that biology absolutely plays a role in how each gender performs in an intellectual space.

I'm a female in tech who writes code and even I know there are things that make me different from my male counterparts, but those are things are also what makes up my strengths as well. (over my male counterparts)

I welcome those discussions because we're able to see better where each side is coming from in an argument, rather than simply committing character assassinations simply because we perceive it to be a value difference in opinion.. when it's more likely it's an intellectual difference in opinion.

(Anyway that's my general disagreement.)

Thank you Maru for providing that link, it made for an interesting read.

I agree that such discussions are crucial for any fair and reasoned debate on this. Both sides of the argument need to be heard. The author, like many, is clearly frustrated by the PC shut-down of such debate with the usual character assassinations and it seems obvious to me that we have turned full circle with one form of control being replaced by another. You don’t right a wrong with the use of another. Opinions that differ from our own are not automatically prejudice and the constant use of the word is shut-down tactics at their worst and will never achieve anything productive.

It seems to me that you as a female tech are in a very strong position to give a valid opinion on this and I think you do so in a fair and reasonable way without attempting to force others to share your views. I am a feminist and believe women are every bit as capable as men but do agree with you that they can bring a different set of skills to the table.

I don’t see the author as some bitter and twisted white male who resents anyone upsetting the status quo (just more shut-down tactics in my opinion) - I just see him as someone totally fed-up with the usual shut-down of discussion by nefarious means of a growing group on individuals, who has decided to make a stand. He has a lot of support.