[Epic.]

Watching it now. What a prick. Can't understand how anyone can support him after that.

[poppsywoppsy]

Can I just put my spin on Johns comments.

The older generation were brought up to view homosexuality as wrong in the mildest sense and shocking in a stronger sense.

This younger generation have been brought up in a world where sexual preferences are acceptable.

Then, if the younger generation are told in the far future that their views they hold now are not correct and they must change their views immediately or get called every phobic name under the sun if they don't.

This is what the older generation are facing in today's world. How hard do you think it is to go against the grounding, teaching and cultures they were brought up with.

When the older generation passes away, so will the perceptions but until then, understanding and tolerance will make bigger inroads than name calling and attaching labels.

This is my way of explaining where John was coming from.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Can I just put my spin on Johns comments.

The older generation were brought up to view homosexuality as wrong in the mildest sense and shocking in a stronger sense.

This younger generation have been brought up in a world where sexual preferences are acceptable.

Then, if the younger generation are told in the far future that their views they hold now are not correct and they must change their views immediately or get called every phobic name under the sun if they don't.

This is what the older generation are facing in today's world. How hard do you think it is to go against the grounding, teaching and cultures they were brought up with.

When the older generation passes away, so will the perceptions but until then, understanding and tolerance will make bigger inroads than name calling and attaching labels.

This is my way of explaining where John was coming from.

Ok cool but he's still homophobic

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Ok cool but he's still homophobic

Oh dear, oh dear, please read it again.

[Beso]

I have been flattered to have been chatted up by gay men. I dont understand where john was coming from.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Oh dear, oh dear, please read it again.

I Did! John is a homophobe

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

I Did! John is a homophobe

He is a creature of his upbringing, just as you are.

Names and labels won't change anything.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I have been flattered to have been chatted up by gay men. I dont understand where john was coming from.

He didn't want, like or ask for it, that's where he was coming from.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

He is a creature of his upbringing, just as you are.

Names and labels won't change anything.

You're right! Names and labels won't change the fact he's a homophobe. Thanks for understanding babe it's always great when people look at different points of view

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

He is a creature of his upbringing, just as you are.

Names and labels won't change anything.

And the issue really is that he’s aware of it. He explained it in full so you can’t pass it off as uneducation because he’s fully aware of the implications of what he said. It’s not like oh well he doesn’t really understand it blame it on upbringing ykno

[Ant.]

Me: Hi I don't like it when anyone who isnt white speaks to me because I didn't ask them to.
Someone: y did u say that?
Me: I'm aware of it but I was raised racist but you can't label me that! Soz hen

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Me: Hi I don't like it when anyone who isnt white speaks to me because I didn't ask them to.
Someone: y did u say that?
Me: I'm aware of it but I was raised racist but you can't label me that! Soz hen

[montblanc]

ugh are you serious he said that? i'm actually shocked

[poppsywoppsy]

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

He has a right to say what he wants but equally we have a right to critique him

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

Since now! Mr Barnes I'm arresting you for thinking homophobic thoughts. You have the right to not think. Anything you do think can and will be used against you in a court of law.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Since now! Mr Barnes I'm arresting you for thinking homophobic thoughts. You have the right to not think. Anything you do think can and will be used against you in a court of law.

So if we are being silly JB can say to the police they are racist for thinking he is black.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So if we are being silly JB can say to the police they are racist for thinking he is black.

No, because we aren't being silly. But realistically yes

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

He has a right to say what he wants but equally we have a right to critique him

No tolerance from you then, yet you want him to be tolerant. Hypocritical much?

[Lilac hills]

R u baiting I can’t tell

[Jase.]

We have a homophobic apologist in the house!

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

R u baiting I can’t tell

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

We have a homophobic apologist in the house!

I apologize for nothing.

What I have tried to do is give an understanding as to why John has his opinions and thoughts.

And ask for tolerance, that's all.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

people: yikes John is homophobic!
you: YIKES that's... really intolerant? If you want him to yknow.... not be homophobic.... maybe you should... not say he's homophobic? just a thought sweaties! :^) Anyway I'm gonna carry on telling yall why John thinks like that even though he explained why he thinks like he does on the show. anyway John was raised in a different time and is aware that he's flawed in his way of thinking yet shown no remorse or attempt to hold back with what he said but J'EXCUSED because he's froma few generations ago !

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

What he said was literally intolerant

To expect tolerance in return is by definition hypocritical