[farhad]

Originally posted by Red Moon

She has a NVQ in beauty therapy which is hardly a very academic, vocational yes, academic no. She was actually in and out of hospital for ten years she wasn't there all the time so she did get some schooling although at times it was interrupted for long periods. As has been proven from the out takes of her interviews this year she doesn't learn as fast as people think she does but she can learn things and remember them once she has been told them enough times.

I hate defending Jade because she such a horrible person, but Jade has made more money than any other Big Brother housemate so there must be something she is doing right even if it is only having a good manager.

Nikki would have noticed how much money Jade has made from being and playing the fool and she does the same sort of thing.

The problem for Nikki is she wants to be taken seriously sometimes and because of the way she was in the house that can never happen.

What I meant she sometimes comes across as academically intelligent, like the biography, the speech for Richard and the Vocabs she uses. Nikki actually is a fast learner, and has a very good memory than most of us. You cannot compare Jade Goodey who has been around 6 years to Nikki only 14 months, thats just rediculous.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by farhad
The one she did in BBLB last after getting evicted, she appeared on BBLB it 4 times after she got evicted, sadly that youtube clip has been removed, but it proved that she was herself.

People don't know they copy people. They are not lying because people copy each other unconsciously. Lying is a conscious act. You know you are laying when you do it. Taking on peoples mannerisms and sayings isn't a conscious act. It's just something you do without thinking.

As for lie detectors they are not fool proof. People can tell lies and they don't show up. It takes a trained operator with years of experience and hours of work with the person under test before the results of the test are conclusive.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A664021

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by farhad
What I meant she sometimes comes across as academically intelligent, like the biography, the speech for Richard and the Vocabs she uses. Nikki actually is a fast learner, and has a very good memory than most of us. You cannot compare Jade Goodey who has been around 6 years to Nikki only 14 months, thats just rediculous.

May be she does, but she need to prove it, and I'm sure with the right teachers she could do it. People will have a different perception of the word academic, but after years in Universities I wouldn't say she isn't a natural academic.

You can compare Jade with Nikki. The reason being that most housemate make most of there money in the first year, if not the first few months. It's how you handle that money and the fame which comes with it that counts. Jade is still about after 6 years, there are posts about her here every other day, even if they are for the wrong reason now. She is still a celebrity even though many despiser her. Nikki would do well to copy what she has done but without making the same mistakes.

As for the memory thing we are going to have to agree to disagree.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Red Moon

May be she does, but she need to prove it, and I'm sure with the right teachers she could do it. People will have a different perception of the word academic, but after years in Universities I wouldn't say she isn't a natural academic.

You can compare Jade with Nikki. The reason being that most housemate make most of there money in the first year, if not the first few months. It's how you handle that money and the fame which comes with it that counts. Jade is still about after 6 years, there are posts about her here every other day, even if they are for the wrong reason now. She is still a celebrity even though many despiser her. Nikki would do well to copy what she has done but without making the same mistakes.

As for the memory thing we are going to have to agree to disagree.

OK, you have different recollections of how it was for Jade during her post-BB world back then. Jade didn't get much attention in terms of being 'rewarded' until roughly a year and half after her eviction. She didn't have a TV show of her own until roughly a year half ago while
Nikki's TV show was put together after the 'Temporary Agency' task (week 3)

Nikki is a product of the newish Endemol-JMN-Heat-magazine machine, which didn't exist during Jade's time (even though she appeared on a Endemol show and taken on JMN's books). Before this Jade via JNM reinvented and promoted herself through Heat magazine ('innocent' pap shots, mostly) and a few TV appearances. It's this method that slowly gained her a fan base.

many of people in the media watched her progress over years. She was their 'guinea pig', testing to see what works and what doesn't, which gave birth to the Endemol-JMN-Heat machine, which was tested on Anthony Hatton and one other HM whose name I forget as well as on Nikki and Grace.

I think you would find Nikki is also a celebrity, she has OK column for godsakes, and she has done very well in 12 months.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by farhad
OK, you have different recollections of how it was for Jade during her post-BB world back then. Jade didn't get much attention in terms of being 'rewarded' until roughly a year and half after her eviction. She didn't have a TV show of her own until roughly a year half ago while
Nikki's TV show was put together after the 'Temporary Agency' task (week 3)

Nikki is a product of the newish Endemol-JMN-Heat-magazine machine, which didn't exist during Jade's time (even though she appeared on a Endemol show and taken on JMN's books). Before this Jade via JNM reinvented and promoted herself through Heat magazine ('innocent' pap shots, mostly) and a few TV appearances. It's this method that slowly gained her a fan base.

many of people in the media watched her progress over years. She was their 'guinea pig', testing to see what works and what doesn't, which gave birth to the Endemol-JMN-Heat machine, which was tested on Anthony Hatton and one other HM whose name I forget as well as on Nikki and Grace.

I think you would find Nikki is also a celebrity, she has OK column for godsakes, and she has done very well in 12 months.

I agree McV she has done well over the last 12 months, but for the rest of my answer you will have to wait for.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Red Moon

I agree McV she has done well over the last 12 months, but for the rest of my answer you will have to wait for.

We'll see how long she last, as she still has an OK column and a Book to wright.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by farhad
We'll see how long she last, as she still has an OK column and a Book to wright.

So tell, me more about the Endemol-JMN-Heat-magazine machine what do you mean by that exactly?

I there is only reference to it on the internet and that is here - Digital Spy.

It's never been mentioned before.

[Redmond]

No I don't think so, you could draw comparisons but that doesn't mean Nikki copied. Nikki actually made me laugh and wasn't a total bitch all the time like Jade was.

[farhad]

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
No I don't think so, you could draw comparisons but that doesn't mean Nikki copied. Nikki actually made me laugh and wasn't a total bitch all the time like Jade was.

Jade was a dangerous Bully, who punched an old lady in a cenema hall, she made her owns friends school life a living hell, because of the bullying she had received from Jade, and look what she did to Sophie and Shilpa Shetty, any instances Nikki commiting a dangerous GBH on someone or bullying anyone.

[Redmond]

Why are you quoting me? I disagree I DON'T think Nikki copied Jade, I liked Nikki.

[farhad]

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
Why are you quoting me? I disagree I DON'T think Nikki copied Jade, I liked Nikki.

I do agree with you, but just elaborating myself a bit on the comparison between the two.

[Redmond]

Ah okay, I thought you were specifically addressing me because you quoted what I put.

[farhad]

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
Ah okay, I thought you were specifically addressing me because you quoted what I put.

Its ok.

[Wasted]

I don't think Nikki copied Goofy, I think they're quite different. Nikki is annoying at times, but Goofy is extremely annoying at all times and is just evil. Nikki is nowhere near as bad as Goofy imo.

Nikki's attention seeking and a bit annoying but I don't think she's as thick as Goofy is, I actually don't think Nikki is that stupid at all. But Goofy is the dumbest person I've had the misfortune of laying eyes upon ever. Goofy attacks those she is jealous of, and Nikki is insecure too but doesn't deal with her insecurities by projecting them onto other people. Nikki might be hostile and high maintenance but I don't think she would ever hit an elder, or anyone for that matter, but Goofy has.

So, I don't think they're very much alike, and I don't think Nikki copied Goofy.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Wasted
I don't think Nikki copied Goofy, I think they're quite different. Nikki is annoying at times, but Goofy is extremely annoying at all times and is just evil. Nikki is nowhere near as bad as Goofy imo.

Nikki's attention seeking and a bit annoying but I don't think she's as thick as Goofy is, I actually don't think Nikki is that stupid at all. But Goofy is the dumbest person I've had the misfortune of laying eyes upon ever. Goofy attacks those she is jealous of, and Nikki is insecure too but doesn't deal with her insecurities by projecting them onto other people. Nikki might be hostile and high maintenance but I don't think she would ever hit an elder, or anyone for that matter, but Goofy has.

So, I don't think they're very much alike, and I don't think Nikki copied Goofy.

Well said Wasted.

[Matt]

No.