[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That last statement is spot on.

Something has always been a certain way so. Should never be changed.

That is Ann's way as to lgbt rights all through.
She also hides behind religion,again until it doesn't suit her her more rigid agenda.
The Church of England which she was in, its synod democratically voted to ordain Women as Priests.

Ann does not agree Women can be or should be Priests so discounts that vote and heads off into the Roman Catholic religion where her rigid line is still in place,no women Priests.
She will not budge or compromise on equality rights.

Voting against equality rights,is leaving people without equal status and rights.
What is odd to me with religion and many say religious belief is superstition and nonsense.

Christianity,is following the teaching of Jesus. Just take the 4 gospels,(supposedly meaning truth),which account for his words and teaching.

Nowhere does any condemnation of homosexuality appear from all attributed to him.
So how Christianity can hold prejudices towards lgbt people is beyond me.
Yet Ann does.
Religion appears to suit when used to judge others and deny their needs,hopes and feelings.

This is why I think organised religion a mess and indeed harmful more than upbuilding.
This is another post that will likely be ridiculed but other times,religion as a base for prejudice and denial of rights gets derided,when it suits.

Again however,tradition as you state,is another selective barrier to allowing inequality and unequal rights to remain so.

You are spot on Joeysteele. People like Ann do hide behind religion to justify their bigotry and homophobia. It's not just Ann it's many so called 'religious' individuals.

In Ann's case she used her power as an MP to try to deny LGBT people like myself equal rights. I am not after 'special' rights but 'equal' rights. Thank goodness the majority of MPs were more enlightened and voted for equality.

Ann can try to justify her bigotry and loathing of LGBT people all she likes. Using her supposed 'faith' to justify it. But she is a bigot and she is a homophobe.

I have looked at the play fight incident between Andrew and Shane L again and there was no sexual touching or anything 'queer' about it. It was just a play fight between two adult men - one Gay one Straight. But to Ann's mind the fight had to be sexual and therefore used that to justify her nomination?! That's the issue here.

If two of the girls had done the same, play fight that is, do you really think Ann would have seen it as disgusting in the same way she saw the fight between Andrew and Shane? Of course she wouldn't have because the younger women in the house identify as 'straight'. The issue with Andrew and Shane was because one of the men was Gay therefore disgusting! Bigotry and homophobia pure and simple.