[luvjustin]

This place is getting worse by the day. It’s distressing to think there are people on the streets of Britain with such wackards ways of thinking.

How many years has it been since we had our first gay winner? Our first trans winner? You would think people might have got their head around it by now. But no. We are still getting post after post like this.. Thinly veiled hatred.

This is why Shane getting on his soap box once in a while is certainly still needed.

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

This place is getting worse by the day. It’s distressing to think there are people on the streets of Britain with such wackards ways of thinking.

How many years has it been since we had our first gay winner? Our first trans winner? You would think people might have got their head around it by now. But no. We are still getting post after post like this.. Thinly veiled hatred.

This is why Shane getting on his soap box once in a while is certainly still needed.

I have a feeling those housemates wouldn’t win if their series aired in 2018. The audience of this show has clearly changed.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by HBIC

I have a feeling those housemates wouldn’t win if their series aired in 2018. The audience of this show has clearly changed.

I think you’re right. Things seem to have gotten worse rather than better.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

I think you’re right. Things seem to have gotten worse rather than better.

Exactly. People want the vapid ken doll to win. I thought big brother was a judge of endurance and character, two things he lacks

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by HBIC

I have a feeling those housemates wouldn’t win if their series aired in 2018. The audience of this show has clearly changed.

I think you are right there.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

This place is getting worse by the day. It’s distressing to think there are people on the streets of Britain with such wackards ways of thinking.

How many years has it been since we had our first gay winner? Our first trans winner? You would think people might have got their head around it by now. But no. We are still getting post after post like this.. Thinly veiled hatred.

This is why Shane getting on his soap box once in a while is certainly still needed.

I couldn't agree more. It's unbelievable and very sad.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I couldn't agree more. It's unbelievable and very sad.

I understand why you think this but no one gets a free pass except that. awful Helen Wood.

Did not Julien Clary win?

The thing is for me, each housemate goes in as an individual and their journey in the house is down to their personality, popularity and behaviour during their stay.

Why would you want anyone's sexuality to be a defining reason for winning or that they only win because they are gay.

No, if they are good enough to get through to the final, forget sexual orientation, vote for your own favourite, then it will be fair.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I understand why you think this but no one gets a free pass except that. awful Helen Wood.

Did not Julien Clary win?

The thing is for me, each housemate goes in as an individual and their journey in the house is down to their personality, popularity and behaviour during their stay.

Why would you want anyone's sexuality to be a defining reason for winning or that they only win because they are gay.

No, if they are good enough to get through to the final, forget sexual orientation, vote for your own favourite, then it will be fair.

Nobody is saying people should win because they are gay.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I understand why you think this but no one gets a free pass except that. awful Helen Wood.

Did not Julien Clary win?

The thing is for me, each housemate goes in as an individual and their journey in the house is down to their personality, popularity and behaviour during their stay.

Why would you want anyone's sexuality to be a defining reason for winning or that they only win because they are gay.

No, if they are good enough to get through to the final, forget sexual orientation, vote for your own favourite, then it will be fair.

I don't think the defining reason for anyone winning should be their sexuality. I just don't understand the hatred that seems to be directed at a housemate who is gay. It seems extreme to me, and not something I would expect in this day and age.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I don't think the defining reason for anyone winning should be their sexuality. I just don't understand the hatred that seems to be directed at a housemate who is gay. It seems extreme to me, and not something I would expect in this day and age.

I don't hate him, I like him a lot of the time, they were having a nice time, second last night, Wayne asked him to give it a rest, it isn't anything we haven't heard before, It looked like even lWayne had enough, if he thinks a 14 year old boy is going to listen to Ann Widdicome he is pretty deluded

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't hate him, I like him a lot of the time, they were having a nice time, second last night, Wayne asked him to give it a rest, it isn't anything we haven't heard before, It looked like even lWayne had enough, if he thinks a 14 year old boy is going to listen to Ann Widdicome he is pretty deluded

I'm glad you don't hate him - nobody is perfect and every individual behaves in a way others don't agree with at times, but that doesn't mean they deserve hate. I just seem to be seeing a lot of hatred on here at the moment, and it deters me from taking part in discussions.

I don't think he necessarily just meant Ann but views like hers in general. A 14 year old boy struggling with his sexuality is going to make decisions on whether or not he can be himself by listening to the views of people he encounters, whether in person or through the media, and could feel reluctant to be himself if he hears views like Ann's.

I think all Shane was saying is that those sort of views could have a detrimental impact on a young gay person's life, and in my opinion he's not wrong in that as it's a very valid point.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I'm glad you don't hate him - nobody is perfect and every individual behaves in a way others don't agree with at times, but that doesn't mean they deserve hate. I just seem to be seeing a lot of hatred on here at the moment, and it deters me from taking part in discussions.

I don't think he necessarily just meant Ann but views like hers in general. A 14 year old boy struggling with his sexuality is going to make decisions on whether or not he can be himself by listening to the views of people he encounters, whether in person or through the media, and could feel reluctant to be himself if he hears views like Ann's.

I think all Shane was saying is that those sort of views could have a detrimental impact on a young gay person's life, and in my opinion he's not wrong in that as it's a very valid point.

I don't doubt the point was valid, I just felt it wasn't the time or place, they were all having a nice time, final 5 they all deserve their place, let the best HM win now, there is no need at this point of the show to continue to denigrate Ann, I feel at times he cares more about winning than anything else

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I don't think the defining reason for anyone winning should be their sexuality. I just don't understand the hatred that seems to be directed at a housemate who is gay. It seems extreme to me, and not something I would expect in this day and age.

Can't it be the same reason people don't like any housemate

I didn't like Helen Wood or Bear or a lot of others

I took against Shane for his entrance and for his banging on and on about the same issues. Recently his going round the housemates didn't endear me to him either.

I also felt the same about India

I detest Andrew and never liked him from day1,

Didn't like Dapper again because in my opinion he was crude

None of my dislike for Shane was because he was gay. I disliked him as a person who happened to be Gay. His being gay was neither here nor there but his behaviour in the house was the contributing factor as to why I disliked him.

I dare say there are people dislike him for being gay, but he should not get away with his behaviour in the house by just being gay either.

I just wish people could forget their sexuality and just treat people as people.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Can't it be the same reason people don't like any housemate

I didn't like Helen Wood or Bear or a lot of others

I took against Shane for his entrance and for his banging on and on about the same issues. Recently his going round the housemates didn't endear me to him either.

I also felt the same about India

I detest Andrew and never liked him from day1,

Didn't like Dapper again because in my opinion he was crude

None of my dislike for Shane was because he was gay. I disliked him as a person who happened to be Gay. His being gay was neither here nor there but his behaviour in the house was the contributing factor as to why I disliked him.

I dare say there are people dislike him for being gay, but he should not get away with his behaviour in the house by just being gay either.

I just wish people could forget their sexuality and just treat people as people.

Completely agree