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i get too frustrated and upset when thinking about this particular case and the preferential treatment the killers have received over the years. I just couldn't imagine how it must be for the family and those close to them

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i get too frustrated and upset when thinking about this particular case and the preferential treatment the killers have received over the years. I just couldn't imagine how it must be for the family and those close to them

I think they should have done 8 years in the young offenders then gone to a big boys jail,Howard had their sentence at 15 years then it was overruled to the 8 which for the crime they committed is disgusting, parole boards deemed them safe to be re released with a new ID etc,and Venables is still offending,just put him in jail now for the rest of his miserable pervy life and stop dithering about wasting money on new Ids ,it doesn't work for him.

[Kizzy]

I think the case flummoxed the whole country not just the judges in the cases. I well remember the collective stunned silence following the news as it broke... unprecedented evil that as hideous as humans can be to one another nobody expected of British children.

Could they be rehabilitated...should they be? It was a learning curve that was it seemed trial and error. Turns out it was a massive error and they were as evil coming out as they were going in.

If anything lessons will have (hopefully) been learnt so no mother has to go through what Denise has, she has endured so much and is still strong enough to maintain her fight for justice and accountability. I can't imagine how she does it, amazing woman.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah 100%, it must be like rubbing salt in the wound everytime, not even proper justice for her baby (even that isn't any consolation for losing him I know but it just makes it worse and even harder probably to get through the day)

I agree.

I'll watch these programmes next week for certain.
However it will be emotionally crushing again.

I think because of the horror of the unnecessary barbarism of the 2 murderers.
It has resulted in young James becoming part of so many of the populations lives and thoughts.

Something I hope is of even the tiniest comfort to his Mam and Dad.
That their fight,is supported fully by others.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Can't imagine what that child's parents have been through, let alone what Jamie went through himself. It's hard to think about, even after all this time for me, someone completely uninvolved and outside the story.

This for me. It's an agonising situation for all involved. Even the parents of the killers. How do any of them live with all that?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

This for me. It's an agonising situation for all involved. Even the parents of the killers. How do any of them live with all that?

I could answer this about the parents Jaxie, I won't go into detail but their boys were giggling in court, did those parents intervene? No.i will leave that there

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I could answer this about the parents Jaxie, I won't go into detail but their boys were giggling in court, did those parents intervene? No.i will leave that there

That's awful Kazanne, just awful.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think the case flummoxed the whole country not just the judges in the cases. I well remember the collective stunned silence following the news as it broke... unprecedented evil that as hideous as humans can be to one another nobody expected of British children.

Could they be rehabilitated...should they be? It was a learning curve that was it seemed trial and error. Turns out it was a massive error and they were as evil coming out as they were going in.

If anything lessons will have (hopefully) been learnt so no mother has to go through what Denise has, she has endured so much and is still strong enough to maintain her fight for justice and accountability. I can't imagine how she does it, amazing woman.

Completely agree with all this.

It goes to show just how amazing strength can be found, even when you can't believe you would ever find it. I think Denise and Ralph have both found strength in the unfairness of it to all to try and ensure no other parents feel the abject horror and grief they have endured. Sadly, as I said earlier, no matter what the outcome of the trials back then, however just the sentances should have been, it is they who have had a life term

[Ammi]

...on more heart-warming point, Kaz...when I watched an interview with Denice a few weeks ago, she spoke a lot about her children and the close family they are..the horrific death and loss of Jamie and then the release of those who took him from them could have prevented much happiness being part of their lives at all but they seem to have much joy in themselves, joy with each other.....

[joeysteele]

I hope Kazanne doesn't mind.
Just thought I'd bring this up again as this programme is on at 9pm tonight on ITV, as the op said.

Just in case anyone who intended to watch had forgot it was on tonight.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

25 years? Jesus, has it really been that long? I read James' dad's book too Kaz and I agree it was hard going (especially as my son was around James' age when I read it). It was a horrendous crime and I remember it happening and being horrified when they turned out to be the age they were.

My ex used to have a shop in Kirby and Denise used to shop there a lot, always looked haunted and sad. Poor women is the one with the life sentance

My son too was the same age when it happened. How do you ever recover from that...knowing how your little boy suffered...I can only imagine you never ever do.

[Kazanne]

We will be watching remembering James as the little boy he was,we can never bring him back,but he will never be forgotten.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We will be watching remembering James as the little boy he was,we can never bring him back,but he will never be forgotten.

Absolutely he won't be.
All I've witnessed from you on here is commendable totally as to James and this horrific loss of his life, and your stance as to the injustice of not seeing proper penalties for the crime either.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The TL and I are watching this later

[Cal.]

This is just awful

[joeysteele]

Heartbreaking,awful.

Denise said the strongest statement,'they weren't punished they were rewarded'.

That is one of the hardest programmes I've ever watched.
Crushing.

[Vanessa]

I can't watch this. Way too upsetting

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah same, I was around 14 when it happened and for some reason it's the one case that's always stuck out in my mind, It really traumitsed me at the time

I was 5 and can remember it.

[AnnieK]

Heartbreaking....

[Kazanne]

Heartbreaking to see the videos of James playing and dancing,I hope Denise and Ralph get justice one day,(but it looks unlikely)and I hope Venables gets a nice cell mate that will make him feel the fear and pain James felt,but I suppose he will be 'protected' again.

[Cherie]

8 years for torturing and murdering a child ..how the family have retained their sanity is anyone's guess

how many times does Venables need to be caught with child porn before he is locked away for good or are they waiting for another James

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Heartbreaking to see the videos of James playing and dancing,I hope Denise and Ralph get justice one day,(but it looks unlikely)and I hope Venables gets a nice cell mate that will make him feel the fear and pain James felt,but I suppose he will be 'protected' again.

He will.
Because another new identity will be on the cards too for when he's released.
He'll likely be kept separate, his real identity hidden,as you say getting protected again.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He will.
Because another new identity will be on the cards too for when he's released.
He'll likely be kept separate as you say getting protected again.

Shame the law aren't as diligent in protecting children from this vile piece of ****,the fact he had a paedophile manual should be a wake up call.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Shame the law aren't as diligent in protecting children from this vile piece of ****,the fact he had a paedophile manual should be a wake up call.

On this,I think the law has been and is shocking.
It really opens up why people lose faith in the legal system.

You are spot on Kazanne,I think all they have on these new charges again are disturbing.
You say wake up call,for me it's actually a wonder another child hasn't been harmed by Venables.

The truly evil issues as to when he was 10,still very much evident in his behaviour now.