[Withano]

Originally Posted by Maru

Congress can override very easily. That's what they did to Obama's executive orders.

Well I did say 'to try'

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well I did say 'to try'

We need federal regulations at this point. The issue is public's trust of Congress is around the 30s and that's probably only counting people who regularly vote, are engaged in politics.

If the idea behind 2A is to prevent govt corruption, then why would the public trust the govt to handle gun control correctly? Trust needs to be restored before we naturally find a common ground, otherwise the rules go in and they get stripped out every 4-8 years.

Much of the violence that does occur are in areas with high gun control regulations have high gun violence and pretty much all cities are blue. So their record on gun control is actually not that great either. i.e. it needs to be federal to be "complete"...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Maru

We need federal regulations at this point. The issue is public's trust of Congress is around the 30s and that's probably only counting people who regularly vote, are engaged in politics.

If the idea behind 2A is to prevent govt corruption, then why would the public trust the govt to handle gun control correctly? Trust needs to be restored before we naturally find a common ground, otherwise the rules go in and they get stripped out every 4-8 years.

Much of the violence that does occur are in areas with high gun control regulations have high gun violence and pretty much all cities are blue. So their record on gun control is actually not that great either. i.e. it needs to be federal to be "complete"...

I quite often dislike the government and there has certainly been some corruption. I don't want to go and shoot any of them though.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I quite often dislike the government and there has certainly been some corruption. I don't want to go and shoot any of them though.

Nobody is walking up to the govt and shooting anyone? That's only part of the prevention. It's for extreme cases, like if the govt were to be tyrannical, we could defend ourselves if they invaded our homes, but that's only a small part of it.

Having the means to arm ourselves also means we have the ability to police our own communities and are not completely dependent on the govt for our means of self-preservation. The government is large and inefficient. In my area there's a major peace officer shortage, and part of the reason they have gotten away with it for so long is because of 2A.

What the Democrats often advocate for is bigger govt, which leads to more spending, heavier policing and those are the issues advocates have with their method of gun control. They want laws, but then they also want to create new agencies and infrastructure, levy new taxes, add a lot of red tape and make it very difficult. They're heavy handed in the cities they run and that's part of why crime rates are skyrocket.

The other philosophy (Libertarian) is that govt sucks at virtually everything so therefore it would be better that the public have the ability to manage of their own interests with as little of the govt involved as reasonably necessary. Adding more just leads to more corruption, more interests, and more gridlock... part of the reason Congress and our govt is in the shape it is in is because it was never meant to be this large, require 200 page bills and pass sweeping regulations. It was meant to be smaller and not run the way it is now.

Here's an example though of interference. In places where you see police agencies being militarized in the media (largely north US/NE), with heavy armor, SWAT, AR-15's, etc, these are also the same areas where people's right to own or carry are limited and/or discourage. Therefore, in an attempt to solve the rising crime rates, have some of the highest income disparities, they invest more in policing... which that doesn't apparently work, so they give police more leeway to be aggressive... which leads to over-policing in places like Baltimore.

Maryland has strict gun laws and yet Baltimore has some of the highest homicide rates in the country and they are now talking about dismantling their police agency and starting over. When many citizens will tell you if they could just simply defend themselves against armed criminals they wouldn't need to call the police.

The US is a different culture, with it's an own philosophy. It's not as simple as disarm the public and peace will prevail. It will have to be a broader solution, on a federal (national scale)... but understand, there are a lot of arguments to solve to get there and it's not as simple as "pass more regulation"... the Democrats have done that and it does not always help. Also, they want to above and beyond that, and those of us who have lived in areas where self-policing is a way of life do not want to end up like Chicago or Baltimore. I lived outside Baltimore for 8 years.