[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

What's also important in debate is to recognise that sometimes, someone knows more about something than you do.

I don't need any guidance thank you Livia, I will comment where I see fit.

What is the point of this debate forum if the only persons qualified to comment are those with direct personal experience of one perspective on any given topic?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't need any guidance thank you Livia, I will comment where I see fit.

What is the point of this debate forum if the only persons qualified to comment are those with direct personal experience of one perspective on any given topic?

Everyone can debate. You must accept, however, that your own opinion about the troubles is not nearly as well-informed at jet's. He's explained and posted and replied until he's blue in the face and you've been your usual self. I merely said he'd done enough, if you're still arguing for the last word he's kind of wasting his time because you stopped listening long ago, if you ever were listening.

[Twosugars]

Well-informed does not mean right or the only right pov. Especially when the issue is emotive.
I'm gay and I know how it feels to be gay, but don't claim to have universal overview of the issue.
In court of law for example, one side doesn't judge the issue, it's the judge and a panel of strangers. It's for a reason.
In this case, imo, yes there was terrorism, on both sides. IRA's brutal activities are the latest in a long struggle of the Irish for independence. Britain inflicted more than enough neglect and exploitation of Ireland throughout centuries of occupation. Countless Irish died in famine and struggle, countless emigrated.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Well-informed does not mean right or the only right pov. Especially when the issue is emotive.
I'm gay and I know how it feels to be gay, but don't claim to have universal overview of the issue.
In court of law for example, one side doesn't judge the issue, it's the judge and a panel of strangers. It's for a reason.
In this case, imo, yes there was terrorism, on both sides. IRA's brutal activities are the latest in a long struggle of the Irish for independence. Britain inflicted more than enough neglect and exploitation of Ireland throughout centuries of occupation. Countless Irish died in famine and struggle, countless emigrated.

True, had it been anywhere else in the world it would have been condemned as a brutal, exploitative and oppressive regime that made Ireland suffer... But it was here so as per there isn't.
I don't think there is such a sentiment as 'anti- British' as the British are anti British.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

True, had it been anywhere else in the world it would have been condemned as a brutal, exploitative and oppressive regime that made Ireland suffer... But it was here so as per there isn't.
I don't think there is such a sentiment as 'anti- British' as the British are anti British.

If that is your view of the troubles then the research you claim to have done was very one sided.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If that is your view of the troubles then the research you claim to have done was very one sided.

That's our history Jaxie, how about you educate yourself on it and get back to me.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

True, had it been anywhere else in the world it would have been condemned as a brutal, exploitative and oppressive regime that made Ireland suffer... But it was here so as per there isn't.
I don't think there is such a sentiment as 'anti- British' as the British are anti British.

Tell me about it. But of course the British are always right, because .... well, they are British. Superiority complex or stupidity? Take your pick.
After centuries of colonialism and milking other countries (Ireland included) for resources, Britan is being cut down to size - a middle-sized European country.
And in the Brexit negotiations, Britain must depend on the good will of once much looked-down upon Ireland. Oh, the irony.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Tell me about it. But of course the British are always right, because .... well, they are British. Superiority complex or stupidity? Take your pick.
After centuries of colonialism and milking other countries (Ireland included) for resources, Britan is being cut down to size - a middle-sized European country.
And in the Brexit negotiations, Britain must depend on the good will of once much looked-down upon Ireland. Oh, the irony.

True, and there will be widespread condemnation of the Irish as there is already for the Scots, it's always struck me why those who profess to be 'British' take so much pleasure from mocking the other countries in the union :/

In another thread we are asked how patriotic we are, being English I hand on heart can't say I am ... mainly due to issues like this, this piece of the world is outrs! ...we colonised there to save the savages... people of that faith are undesirable. :/

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

True, and there will be widespread condemnation of the Irish as there is already for the Scots, it's always struck me why those who profess to be 'British' take so much pleasure from mocking the other countries in the union :/

In another thread we are asked how patriotic we are, being English I hand on heart can't say I am ... mainly due to issues like this, this piece of the world is outrs! ...we colonised there to save the savages... people of that faith are undesirable. :/

English superiority complex is fully responsible for the collapse of the empire. Had the English been prepared to see others as equals, more meaningful commonwealth might have been created.
The same for the UK. If the English carry on like before, Scotland may decide to secede. Can you imagine the humiliation? From controlling big chunk of the globe to a rump state in less than a century?
UK should have become a fully federal state ages ago, with Wales and Scotland fully equal to England.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dezzy... here you are again... telling me what I mean when I have posted something in response to Kizzy. It really is annoying having to explain my self to you every time I respond to Kizzy, but here goes...

Jet's arguments are rooted in emotion, and so would Kizzy's be if she had been through Jet's life. He's lived the troubles.... Kizzy has not. If I make a statement about the law, or about Judaism, or about something I know more about than you do, I would not expect you to assume your argument is as well informed as mine. Which is what Kizzy assumes about everything.

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone can debate. You must accept, however, that your own opinion about the troubles is not nearly as well-informed at jet's. He's explained and posted and replied until he's blue in the face and you've been your usual self. I merely said he'd done enough, if you're still arguing for the last word he's kind of wasting his time because you stopped listening long ago, if you ever were listening.

This is getting really silly now, I have for years had to battle to have a say on this forum without having to run the gauntlet of yourself and others who presume to be the forum oracle on any given topic.

I have and do appreciate Jets experience, however that does not exclude me from having an opinion specifically as in the main the responses I received were as time quite insulting... I accepted that due to the emotive subject whilst still attempting a reasoned debate.

Let it be known AGAIN that I do NOT require your input, not to mediate not to referee and not to judge, this following me around the forum has to stop.