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I think government surplus is a good thing |
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7 | 53.85% | |||
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I think government surplus is a bad thing |
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3 | 23.08% | |||
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I'm not sure as I don't really understand how it works. |
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1 | 7.69% | |||
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I haven't given it any thought. |
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2 | 15.38% | |||
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The tories must be applauded for filling up that empty envelope that labour kindly left them....well done tories.
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The voice of reason
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The Chancellor will have lots to batter the labour front benches with. Should be a good budget for the Tories
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Imagine they could have charged a little bit more tax for the higher earners, and they thought 'nah, there a load of disabled kids, and mentally ill patients who are being well greedy'
I mean, to answer the question in a word.. yes.. but its just a bit ****ed how we got there.
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1.5x speed
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You can always tell a good politician by their reaction to having a surplus ... "OH! We have more money now, so we can go spend it on XYZ things!..."...
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How about you. How have you faired through these bleak times?
Its not just the lazy bums who won't get off their arse to do a days work and its not just the strapped for cash benefit claimants who can still afford a Big Mac, though the government and the Daily Mail would like you to think that. We do have statistics that tell us millions of already impoverished people have struggled more than ever and hundreds of thousands of children now live in the poverty bracket. The cost of living has gone up, salaries haven't. Many of those living on the poverty line are full time workers trying to survive on a minimum wage. But its not just the blue collar workers or those who can't find a job that pays a living wage; I know a lot of private sector workers who lost their contracts and have had to re-aply for positions they once believed were safe (before they were privatized). Those people who have mortgages, small children and the usual every day expenses are often working on temporary or zero hour contracts. More and more people have to borrow or cash in their pensions early, just so they can pay their rent or mortgage. This has been one huge money grab and its been at the expense of millions and if you can't see that because you've done alright, then all I can say is, look beyond your own front door.
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The good news just keeps on coming...
UK manufacturers on course to outpace GDP growth, survey finds Britain’s manufacturers are set to outpace the rest of the economy this year with help from booming global demand for exports, according to a survey showing British firms started the year on a strong note. According to the manufacturers’ organisation EEF and the accountancy firm BDO, factory output is on course to increase by 2% this year – beating the 1.5% GDP growth forecast for the wider economy. https://www.theguardian.com/business...ritish-exports |
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We had a world crash for fs. It wasn't just the UK!
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It makes a change to see a good news thread about the government in SD for a change. Very positive like the economy seems to be
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Well, well, well, what a surprise. One of the hard right leading figures has just driven his coach and horses through the austerity myth! http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/03...twin-deficits/ I have not been worried about the state deficit for sometime, ever since Mr Brown found out that the UK state can literally print money to pay its bills. Mr Osborne, originally a critic of this in opposition, then discovered its charms in office as well. It turned out to have no adverse consequences on shop price inflation, though of course it caused massive price inflation in government bonds, because it was accompanied by severe pressure against bank lending to the private sector to avoid an inflationary blow off. I always adjust the outstanding debt by the Ł435 bn the state has bought up, as this is in no sense a debt we owe. So our government borrowing level (excluding future state pensions which some here worry about and which have always been pay as you go out of taxation) is modest by world standards at around 65% of GDP, and at current interest rates is affordable.
Most of the state debt we owe to each other anyway. The government owes it to taxpayers who own the debt in their pension funds and insurance policies. The state can always raise enough money to pay the donestic bills backed by the huge powers to tax, and as we have just seen when credit expansion and inflation are low it can also use liquidity created by the monetary authorities. The deficit I worry about much more is our external deficit. That is the one where we have to buy foreign currencies to pay for it. It is the reason why we keep selling some of our best property and business assets to foreigners, and why we have to borrow abroad. Running at around 5% of GDP it is high by world standards, and means we gradually get into more debt or sell more assets to keep up with it. When you owe money to foreigners they may not accept money created to pay them off but will need real assets.
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Quantitative easing... yep easy to get back in the black when you print your own money :/
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...b0bcd7f42a6758 Congratulations, everyone! We did it! The deficit has been eliminated! George Osborne, the architect of austerity, emerged from one of his non-jobs as the editor of the London Evening Standard to tell us all it was a “remarkable national effort” on Twitter, as if he’d ever broken a sweat over it. David Cameron, who will go down as arguably the worst prime minister in history thanks to the gigantic power move of doing a Brexit and running away, simply added: “It was the right thing to do” – safe in the knowledge that he was now out of the line of fire from tough questions. That will all be cold comfort to the thousands of homeless people struggling to cope with sub-zero temperatures, or those having to choose between keeping the heating on, or risk going into rent arrears and losing their home entirely; to public sector workers in the NHS or local government, trying to keep the wheels from falling off as they deliver vital services in the face of budget cuts; and to disabled and unemployed people, bearing the brunt of the government’s spending cuts and facing harassment from the authorities. Forget all that. We’ve eliminated the deficit, and all we had to do was attack the poor and vulnerable with a relentless fury, create a new generation of young people for whom the concept of pensions or even steady wages is a fantasy, and undermine public services to such a grotesque extent that it will take years to rebuild what we’ve lost. Hooray! It’s worth pointing out, not that this hasn’t been said before, that the rationale for this strategy was always a confection of fear-mongering and economic illiteracy that misrepresented the causes of the 2008 crash as being something to do with “Labour overspending” rather than a global banking crisis. This was an ideologically driven attack on the concept of redistribution through public spending. The upper-class bumblers in charge latched on to any excuse, no matter how quickly it was debunked, to pursue their project of returning the country to the Victorian slum state of their romantic imaginations, where finally, at long last, poor but cheerful urchins would give them the respect they deserved for being born wealthy. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...terity-poverty
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Great news, can't say I noticed multitudes of suffering, certainly no more than there always is. Kudos to the government for managing it, if true.
Broccoli and Cauliflower TS, couple of chicken breasts, bit of garlic, stir fry. Super cheap, super healthy!
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Spend it like Jezza? It sounds like a movie to me!
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Likes cars that go boom
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There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Are under the illusion there is never hardship, suffering or homelessness under any other party in government?
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Oh YES - Kizzy herself.
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