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Beso · 20-03-2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

So you're using links to the Daily Star because?

Oh that was what came up when i typed "does ant bully joe swash"

Cause you questioned my opinion and stated that I was the only one that had seen this.

The links were merely to point out you were talking horlicks....but still its not enough.

Jack_ · 20-03-2018, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

You are wrong jack, im not some daft idiot who doesnt know how tv shows work.

To me, i can see a deeper rooted problem with them 2...so joe shuts his mouth as he knows how it went for ants ex mrs.

With all due respect, if that's true, why are you missing the fact that they've been doing the same ribbing of one another for years on end? And that Joe's purpose on that show is to be the butt of everyone's jokes? And that in November 2017 (when the series we're discussing was on-air), Ant and Lisa had not yet officially split, let alone had she 'been sacked' (as you are falsely alluding to) from Saturday Night Takeaway?

Marsh. · 20-03-2018, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh that was what came up when i typed "does ant bully joe swash"

Yes, asking google that is undeniable proof.

Papers never exaggerate anything.

Most of the articles simply hint at a possible feud. Quite different from trying to spin a bullying story. But whatever.

AnnieK · 20-03-2018, 08:17 PM

Wow.....lots of people are privy to an awful lot of private information on this thread. Where do you get your information??

Addicts are addicts, in some ways having the type of money Ant does enables his descent into addiction far more than a regular addict and I don't mean that he can afford the substances that he is abusing, I mean he can hide it far easier. A regular addict will steal and cheat to get a fix, Ant doesn't need to do that. He also has a strong inner circle paid to hide his addiction, if I had an addiction someone would notice it but Ant has people to hide that from everyone.

Yes he has money for rehab but to go into rehab an addict has firstly to acknowledge the problem and anyone who has been an addict or knows anyone who is /has been knows that is the single biggest issue of any addiction.

If Ant was over either drink drive or drug drive levels he should be treated exactly the same as any member of the public. He is foolish, irresponsible and ill.

People have very little sympathy for addicts, I am not one of them. I can sympathise due to personal experiences, I don't excuse but sympathise.

Beso · 20-03-2018, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

With all due respect, if that's true, why are you missing the fact that they've been doing the same ribbing of one another for years on end? And that Joe's purpose on that show is to be the butt of everyone's jokes? And that in November 2017 (when the series we're discussing was on-air), Ant and Lisa had not yet officially split, let alone had she 'been sacked' (as you are falsely alluding to) from Saturday Night Takeaway?

Ok fair enough about the wife.
But i still trust my judgement on this, and the judgement of many others.

You see it differently than i do and thats fine..but please dont make out your opinion is fact...

I see fun ribbing from dec, but ants usually just digging that bit nastier and to me when i watch it looks like he gets a kick the nastier he gets and further away from the sctipt they get...oh btw...ant and dec dont have a script for thier only segment in the aftershow, so its all ad lib...

Brillopad · 20-03-2018, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

You literally said "what problems can he have".

Disgusting comment.

So disgusting. We all have problems - and many have addictions but when you have that amount of money, a successful career as a tv presenter and a loving suppotive family and friends you are heads above the rest of the other addicts out there.

I don’t think I have heard you mention that little girl or the other victims - he could be facing a manslaughter charge now but for the grace of god. To me that is disgusting. Would you still see him as the victim then? He is a father isn’t he - I can just imagine the Reaction if some drunk had nearly killed his little girl.

AnnieK · 20-03-2018, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

So disgusting. We all have problems - and many have addictions but when you have that amount of money, a successful career as a tv presenter and a loving suppotive family and friends you are heads above the rest of the other addicts out there.

I don’t think I have heard you mention that little girl or the other victims - he could be facing a manslaughter charge now but for the grace of god. To me that is disgusting. Would you still see him as the victim then? He is a father isn’t he - I can just imagine the Reaction if some drunk had nearly killed his little girl.

He isn't a father, I think that issue is where some of the issues in the marriage came from. He and Lisa were unable to conceive. Again, as someone who has faced infertility (thankfully finally having a child), I can appreciate the stress that puts on a person and any relationship. Just because he is rich doesn't mean he doesn't face struggles as everyone else.

I agree though that he could have killed someone and thankfully the family were ok and that's why it is important he faces this, takes any punishment and kicks the addictions

Marsh. · 20-03-2018, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

So disgusting. We all have problems - and many have addictions but when you have that amount of money, a successful career as a tv presenter and a loving suppotive family and friends you are heads above the rest of the other addicts out there.

I don’t think I have heard you mention that little girl or the other victims - he could be facing a manslaughter charge now but for the grace of god. To me that is disgusting. Would you still see him as the victim then? He is a father isn’t he - I can just imagine the Reaction if some drunk had nearly killed his little girl.

No he isn't a father. They've struggled to conceive.

But hey, he's rich, he doesn't feel pain.

All well and good covering with the "he can afford help" line. You said what problems can he have, he's rich.

Brillopad · 20-03-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

No he isn't a father. They've struggled to conceive.

But hey, he's rich, he doesn't feel pain.

All well and good covering with the "he can afford help" line. You said what problems can he have, he's rich.

No-one is saying he doesn’t feel pain but to act in a manner that could cause pain, suffering and death to others is not acceptable - celebrity or not.

Marsh. · 20-03-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

No-one is saying he doesn’t feel pain but to act in a manner that could cause pain, suffering and death to others is not acceptable - celebrity or not.

Nobody said it was acceptable.

Brillopad · 20-03-2018, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

No he isn't a father. They've struggled to conceive.

But hey, he's rich, he doesn't feel pain.

All well and good covering with the "he can afford help" line. You said what problems can he have, he's rich.

And clearly related to how others were stating he needed help!

Brillopad · 20-03-2018, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody said it was acceptable.

Some have acted as though he was the only victim.

Tony Montana · 20-03-2018, 08:51 PM

He needs to get serious help

Cherie · 20-03-2018, 08:51 PM

n a statement an ITV spokesman said: “ITV has taken a joint decision with Ant and Dec’s team not to broadcast Saturday Night Takeaway this weekend. We will be reviewing options for the last two episodes of the series (March 31 and April 7) which would not feature Ant who is taking time off to seek treatment. We very much hope that he gets the help that he needs.”
Since that statement was issued, Good Morning Britain’s senior news correspondent Jonathan Swain, claims Dec will still be jetting out to Orlando to present the final episode as planned. He said: “The final episode was due to be live from Orlando, Florida with a planeload of competition winners. Well, Dec will now be hosting that without his long-term best friend and presenting partner.”

hope this is true

AnnieK · 20-03-2018, 08:53 PM

I don't believe Ant is a victim as such at all. I think he is an addict (a victim of circumstance maybe) and as an addict he should get help to get well again.

Marsh. · 20-03-2018, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

Some have acted as though he was the only victim.

Who?

Morgan. · 20-03-2018, 09:32 PM

Thought I'd put this here. I know someone who knows Ant (I'm assuming from rehab, but she's been in a well known rehab with celebs before) and she says she knows he is at home so he may be accepting other methods of threatment but he's not in rehab.

Jack_ · 20-03-2018, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Ok fair enough about the wife.
But i still trust my judgement on this, and the judgement of many others.

You see it differently than i do and thats fine..but please dont make out your opinion is fact...

I see fun ribbing from dec, but ants usually just digging that bit nastier and to me when i watch it looks like he gets a kick the nastier he gets and further away from the sctipt they get...oh btw...ant and dec dont have a script for thier only segment in the aftershow, so its all ad lib...

The 'many others' being the Daily Express' clickbait articles and the few tweets they plucked out to support their fanciful claims?

I'm fully aware they don't have a script for their interview on Extra Camp, it's an interview. They do, however, have the same formula for how that plays out and have done for several years before this ever became a (non) issue. The boys walk in, Joe makes a silly jibe or flirts, Ant bites back, the two exchange some digs, the interview continues, and then Ant walks out and says 'shut up Joe' or something similar. Every night. Every series.

The rest of the show includes Joe making often deliberately dumb comments, so that everyone else can take the piss out of his perceived stupidity - only for him to sit there with a confused and embarrassed look. That's the gag, that's his shtick and his act.

The fact that this continues year after year, and the fact that Ant and Joe socialise when they're not filming, and the fact that Joe has seemingly not spoken to either Ant or his producers and asked for it to be toned down - suggests that he doesn't have a problem with it, because it's "part of the show". It's television, after all.