[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

It's not his politics I can't stand, it's HIM.
I don't make stuff up, please refrain from saying I am a liar without any evidence whatsoever.
Its irrelevant to me if you still block out the fact he's a terrorist supporter, your agreement isn't required.

Then give us evidence and I don't mean some random hearsay.

I don't care if my agreement isn't required. I'll continue with my own beliefs and you continue with yours.

[Kizzy]

More like the tories are in trouble widespread corruption and cronyism. let's rush out another Corbyn 'expose' this time it's a misunderstood tweet from 2012.... Yeah that ought to deflect the heat, phew!!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

More like the tories are in trouble widespread corruption and cronyism. let's rush out another Corbyn 'expose' this time it's a misunderstood tweet from 2012.... Yeah that ought to deflect the heat, phew!!

Yes, he's just misunderstood, and doesn't realise things, the silly sausage.

[kirklancaster]

He is THE most dangerously deluded person in the UK - apart from those who REFUTE all the evidence that he is a Marxist, Terrorist-Loving, Anti-Semitic, Anti-British jerk-off and BLINDLY support him.

In my opinion of course.

[DemolitionRed]

We have 5 Jewish conservative MPs and 5 Jewish Labour MPs
We have 26 Jewish Labour Peers and 14 Jewish Conservative peers

It would be interesting to know the same about national newspapers.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

He is THE most dangerously deluded person in the UK - apart from those who REFUTE all the evidence that he is a Marxist, Terrorist-Loving, Anti-Semitic, Anti-British jerk-off and BLINDLY support him.

In my opinion of course.

Oh you forgot one thing. He doesn't like landlords either! Your blood must be boiling!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh you forgot one thing. He doesn't like landlords either! Your blood must be boiling!

My fortune will ULTIMATELY actually GROW if Corbyn becomes PM and implements his unachievable, totally impracticable, ill-thought out 'policies'.

I have just paid Ł355.00 to the Law Courts to evict a 'young single mother of two' - you know, one of those poor, unfortunate, underprivileged strata of society whom Corbyn is out to alleviate the suffering of?

My (now EX) agent foolishly let this excrement into a beautiful, modernised, double glazed, centrally heated 2 bedroom semi which had walled private gardens to front and rear etc. etc.

Her income level was so high from a combination of Working Tax Credits and Benefits that the local Council only paid a small fraction of Housing Benefits to her.

Her Facebook pages are peppered with photographs which she has posted of herself dolled up to the nines partying, hungover, and enjoying nights out with 'The Girls' ALL OVER the UK.

She started NOT paying her rent after only a few months and DESPITE all our efforts to reason with her, appeal to her AND help her (because of her two INNOCENT children) she ignored us and her arrears now top Ł5,000.

We have discovered that she applied for a 'Council House' but her application was 'DECLINED', but once she is evicted the same Council will be FORCED to accommodate her because she will be HOMELESS.

The trouble is, that due to a severe HOUSING SHORTAGE just WHERE the Council will place her and into just WHAT kind of accommodation is the '64,000 dollar question'.

Corbyn's policies will greatly EXACERBATE this Housing Crisis as Private Landlord after Private Landlord sell up or STOP renting to BENEFIT CLAIMANTS altogether to protect themselves.

THIS big bad landlord will sit tight because already I have determined NOT to accept anyone else who is on Benefits as tenants.

Yes, it is a shame because not ALL Benefit Claimants are bad people or bad tenants, but I have worked damned hard for a long number of years (I am still working 60+ hour weeks now) and I have made real sacrifices to build up my business and I will not allow Corbyn or anyone else to destroy all that I have worked for.

By the way, I am a GOOD landlord. My properties are all accredited and of a good standard, my rents are ALWAYS set just below the Local Market levels, and I ALWAYS help my tenants whenever I can when they have problems.

Finally, I WILL MAKE A PREDICTION; If Corbyn becomes PM, it will SERIOUSLY DAMAGE the UK, but nowhere near as much as it will DAMAGE THE LABOUR PARTY because once the damage his demented policies will cause has manifested itself, the Labour Party - if not TOTALLY destroyed - will become UNELECTABLE for decades.

And THAT is another shame.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

He is THE most dangerously deluded person in the UK - apart from those who REFUTE all the evidence that he is a Marxist, Terrorist-Loving, Anti-Semitic, Anti-British jerk-off and BLINDLY support him.

In my opinion of course.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

He is THE most dangerously deluded person in the UK - apart from those who REFUTE all the evidence that he is a Marxist, Terrorist-Loving, Anti-Semitic, Anti-British jerk-off and BLINDLY support him.

In my opinion of course.

I agree with your opinion. There is none so blind as those who will not see -(John Heywood 1546).

[DemolitionRed]

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence" Aldous Huxley

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence" Aldous Huxley

Yes, stop sinning against me and calling me a liar when you have no evidence that he isn't a terrorist sympathiser.

[DemolitionRed]

I haven't read this yet Kirk as I'm about to go out and I'm sure its going to be something I want to respond to but I just wanted to thank you for bothering to write a long response.

Later folks.

[Tom4784]

We don't need another referendum of Brexit, people ****ed it up and they shouldn't get any takebacks because they regret voting the way they did. The bed has been made and now it's time to lie in it.

[DemolitionRed]

Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing. Corbyn supports the Palestinian cause and he's been framed as a terrorist sympathizer for doing so. If you don't support the Israeli apartheid you are deemed a terrorist sympathizer or worse, a hater of Jews.

I have no doubt that Corbyn was embroiled in Republican politics during the Irish conflicts but there were reasons. He didn't just wake up one morning and think "yes, I'm going to support the mafia side of the Irish conflict just for the hell of it". There was already a long history of Unionist abuse and Corbyn is big on human rights (as we see with Palestine). Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland. And so if we look at the cause of the conflict; if we understand the history behind the conflict and understand that it was the Loyalists and British military who were targetting Republican protesters with tear gas before the real troubles began, it makes sense that he, a human rights thinker, would reach out to the cause he believed in with some sort of peaceful dialogue.
He was doing this openly and that's why he was being watched by MI5 who have since closed the case on him because they had nothing on him. The government were doing the same in the hope of finding mutual solidarity but did so in a more covert way.

The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources. If MI5 can't give them anything of substance then nobody can and they were supposedly at every campaign he ever attended.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing. Corbyn supports the Palestinian cause and he's been framed as a terrorist sympathizer for doing so. If you don't support the Israeli apartheid you are deemed a terrorist sympathizer or worse, a hater of Jews.

I have no doubt that Corbyn was embroiled in Republican politics during the Irish conflicts but there were reasons. He didn't just wake up one morning and think "yes, I'm going to support the mafia side of the Irish conflict just for the hell of it". There was already a long history of Unionist abuse and Corbyn is big on human rights (as we see with Palestine). Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland. And so if we look at the cause of the conflict; if we understand the history behind the conflict and understand that it was the Loyalists and British military who were targetting Republican protesters with tear gas before the real troubles began, it makes sense that he, a human rights thinker, would reach out to the cause he believed in with some sort of peaceful dialogue.
He was doing this openly and that's why he was being watched by MI5 who have since closed the case on him because they had nothing on him. The government were doing the same in the hope of finding mutual solidarity but did so in a more covert way.

The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources. If MI5 can't give them anything of substance then nobody can and they were supposedly at every campaign he ever attended.

Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing.

Really? If you are a decent human being you support a cause through democratic means. If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting the actions of cold blooded murderers and thugs. There is NO way out of that, and trying to excuse his support is monstrous imo.

I take it you don’t agree with democracy? The people of N.Ireland (Protestant and many Catholic) voted democratically to remain part of the UK, the WAR was the one the IRA inflicted on the citizens with the use of bombs and bullets to murder their way into something the majority didn’t want!

...and your potted history of N. Ireland and the origins of the conflict is woefully uncomplicated and ignorant, but then you didn’t live here in the midst of the worst of it like I did so I’ll overlook that as haven’t the inclination or the hours of my time needed to explain the culpability of both sides through the years.

Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland.

This is despicable in its apologist stance.
There was NO justification for the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, there was NO justification for Corbyn's support; the minute he smells anything anti - British he's there, poking his nose in and dishing out tea and sympathy.

I see you have conveniently ignored these quotes from republican archives I posted in my previous post...

These included a petition (by Corbyn) to Downing Street on behalf of Hugh Doherty, a member of the IRA’s Balcombe Street gang convicted of killing seven people, and protests against the extradition of Dessie Ellis, a top IRA bomb maker who has denied links to about 50 deaths.

Corbyn was later arrested while on a pro-IRA protest at the trial of the bomber who had killed five people and injured a further 31.

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DemolitionRed:

The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources.

The media and the Government know darn well he was an IRA supporter, the impartial world and its mother knows he was an IRA supporter.

....so I'll repeat part of what I said in my first paragraph: If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting cold blooded murderers and thugs.
The proof and reliability that he supported IRA killings are there in his own actions.

These quotes from the Spectator say it well:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/

It cannot be said too often that there is nothing intrinsically objectionable about supporting the idea of a united Ireland. But if you did – or still do – support that goal you had a choice. You could ally yourself with the SDLP or you could chum around with Sinn Fein and the IRA. The choice mattered because it was a choice between decency and indecency, between constitutional politics and paramilitary politics. Corbyn, like his Shadow Chancellor, made his choice and chose indecency.

Jeremy Corbyn didn’t help bring peace to Northern Ireland, he helped delay it by enabling those who bore primary responsibility for the violence. Now he and his supporters wish to rewrite history, the better to pretend Corbyn was somehow ‘ahead of the curve’. He was no such thing. His vision of peace did not advocate compromise and dialogue. If it had he might have spent more – or some – time speaking with Unionists and other parties with whose analysis he disagreed. But his vision did not do this and so he did not ‘engage’ with anyone in this fashion. No amount of whitewash can cover up this stain upon his record, his worldview and his judgement.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

Really? If you are a decent human being you support a cause through democratic means. If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting the actions of cold blooded murderers and thugs. There is NO way out of that, and trying to excuse his support is monstrous imo.

I take it you don’t agree with democracy? The people of N.Ireland (Protestant and many Catholic) voted democratically to remain part of the UK, the WAR was the one the IRA inflicted on the citizens with the use of bombs and bullets to murder their way into something the majority didn’t want!

...and your potted history of N. Ireland and the origins of the conflict is woefully uncomplicated and ignorant, but then you didn’t live here in the midst of the worst of it like I did so I’ll overlook that as haven’t the inclination or the hours of my time needed to explain the culpability of both sides through the years.



This is despicable in its apologist stance.
There was NO justification for the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, there was NO justification for Corbyn's support; the minute he smells anything anti - British he's there, poking his nose in and dishing out tea and sympathy.

I see you have conveniently ignored these quotes from republican archives I posted in my previous post...




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DemolitionRed:


The media and the Government know darn well he was an IRA supporter, the impartial world and its mother knows he was an IRA supporter.

....so I'll repeat part of what I said in my first paragraph: If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting cold blooded murderers and thugs.
The proof and reliability that he supported IRA killings are there in his own actions.

These quotes from the Spectator say it well:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/

Great post Jet.

I don’t claim to have any personal experience of the Irish troubles but I know cold blooded murder when I see it. It isn’t For a bunch of militant fanatics to declare ‘war’ on innocent people and can never be justified. They were murderers - and no amount of rhetoric will change that. Supporting terrorism, whatever the cause, is no better.

Like you I find the attempted justification for mass murder very disturbing and believe such attitutudes are part of the problem. People have a right to a cause but not to murder innocent people - it is idealistic garbage that demonstrates a lack of humanity. People with such ideologies who believe they have the right to sacrifice others for their beliefs are dangerous and should never be appeased. Sacrificing their own lives for their cause may be considered admirable but sacrificing others is simple cowardice.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Great post Jet.

I don’t claim to have any personal experience of the Irish troubles but I know cold blooded murder when I see it. It isn’t For a bunch of militant fanatics to declare ‘war’ on innocent people and can never be justified. They were murderers - and no amount of rhetoric will change that. Supporting terrorism, whatever the cause, is no better.

Like you I find the attempted justification for mass murder very disturbing and believe such attitutudes are part of the problem. People have a right to a cause but not to murder innocent people - it is idealistic garbage that demonstrates a lack of humanity. People with such ideologies who believe they have the right to sacrifice others for their beliefs are dangerous and should never be appeased. Sacrificing their own lives for their cause may be considered admirable but sacrificing others is simple cowardice.

Absolutely...and those who support those who support terrorism are despicable.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jet

Really? If you are a decent human being you support a cause through democratic means. If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting the actions of cold blooded murderers and thugs. There is NO way out of that, and trying to excuse his support is monstrous imo.

I take it you don’t agree with democracy? The people of N.Ireland (Protestant and many Catholic) voted democratically to remain part of the UK, the WAR was the one the IRA inflicted on the citizens with the use of bombs and bullets to murder their way into something the majority didn’t want!

...and your potted history of N. Ireland and the origins of the conflict is woefully uncomplicated and ignorant, but then you didn’t live here in the midst of the worst of it like I did so I’ll overlook that as haven’t the inclination or the hours of my time needed to explain the culpability of both sides through the years.



This is despicable in its apologist stance.
There was NO justification for the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, there was NO justification for Corbyn's support; the minute he smells anything anti - British he's there, poking his nose in and dishing out tea and sympathy.

I see you have conveniently ignored these quotes from republican archives I posted in my previous post...




................................................
DemolitionRed:


The media and the Government know darn well he was an IRA supporter, the impartial world and its mother knows he was an IRA supporter.

....so I'll repeat part of what I said in my first paragraph: If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting cold blooded murderers and thugs.
The proof and reliability that he supported IRA killings are there in his own actions.

These quotes from the Spectator say it well:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/

Great post Jet. I think people need to walk a mile in your shoes before claiming they know how it was. None of us do, we only have glimpses.

[jet]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Great post Jet. I think people need to walk a mile in your shoes before claiming they know how it was. None of us do, we only have glimpses.

Thanks Jaxie.

[Kizzy]

“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.”

Isn't that happening to Corbyn now?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.”

Isn't that happening to Corbyn now?

I don't think so no, Kizzy. I understand that you are devoted to this person and that's your right but you have to remember that the position he is in means that he could one day be the leader of this country and that means he is and should be open to scruitiny. It's important.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't think so no, Kizzy. I understand that you are devoted to this person and that's your right but you have to remember that the position he is in means that he could one day be the leader of this country and that means he is and should be open to scruitiny. It's important.

I'm not 'devoted' to him... I support him and his stance here. Tom Watson agreed that Owen smith was wrong to create that article, I agree with them both.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not 'devoted' to him... I support him and his stance here. Tom Watson agreed that Owen smith was wrong to create that article, I agree with them both.

You give a wonderful impression of it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

You give a wonderful impression of it.

Stop baiting.