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24-03-2018, 08:05 PM | #76 | |||
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24-03-2018, 08:19 PM | #78 | ||
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This impartial reader understands perfectly, but then I have no need to twist your words to suit an agenda.
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24-03-2018, 08:49 PM | #79 | |||
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24-03-2018, 09:57 PM | #80 | |||
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25-03-2018, 03:39 AM | #81 | ||
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Corbyn himself signed something commemorating the dead in 1994 (years after the height if his involvement in the 70's and 80's) that apparently PROVES he wasn't an IRA supporter!!! This is irrefutable EVIDENCE indeed!!! All those links I posted including archive material about his IRA sympathies and support are wiped out by this one very important news link, he's vindicated, alert the media!!! Seriously Kizzy, get a grip, you just sound foolish now. |
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Some samples taken from the many more detailed links I have previously posted and which have been previously completely ignored. Perhaps you and other Corbynites will acknowledge at least these extracts this time?
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25-03-2018, 06:02 AM | #83 | |||
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“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.” ― Judith Lewis Herman, Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence - From Domestic Abuse to Political Terror
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25-03-2018, 02:11 PM | #84 | |||
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Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing. Corbyn supports the Palestinian cause and he's been framed as a terrorist sympathizer for doing so. If you don't support the Israeli apartheid you are deemed a terrorist sympathizer or worse, a hater of Jews.
I have no doubt that Corbyn was embroiled in Republican politics during the Irish conflicts but there were reasons. He didn't just wake up one morning and think "yes, I'm going to support the mafia side of the Irish conflict just for the hell of it". There was already a long history of Unionist abuse and Corbyn is big on human rights (as we see with Palestine). Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland. And so if we look at the cause of the conflict; if we understand the history behind the conflict and understand that it was the Loyalists and British military who were targetting Republican protesters with tear gas before the real troubles began, it makes sense that he, a human rights thinker, would reach out to the cause he believed in with some sort of peaceful dialogue. He was doing this openly and that's why he was being watched by MI5 who have since closed the case on him because they had nothing on him. The government were doing the same in the hope of finding mutual solidarity but did so in a more covert way. The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources. If MI5 can't give them anything of substance then nobody can and they were supposedly at every campaign he ever attended.
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I take it you don’t agree with democracy? The people of N.Ireland (Protestant and many Catholic) voted democratically to remain part of the UK, the WAR was the one the IRA inflicted on the citizens with the use of bombs and bullets to murder their way into something the majority didn’t want! ...and your potted history of N. Ireland and the origins of the conflict is woefully uncomplicated and ignorant, but then you didn’t live here in the midst of the worst of it like I did so I’ll overlook that as haven’t the inclination or the hours of my time needed to explain the culpability of both sides through the years. Quote:
There was NO justification for the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, there was NO justification for Corbyn's support; the minute he smells anything anti - British he's there, poking his nose in and dishing out tea and sympathy. I see you have conveniently ignored these quotes from republican archives I posted in my previous post... Quote:
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....so I'll repeat part of what I said in my first paragraph: If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting cold blooded murderers and thugs. The proof and reliability that he supported IRA killings are there in his own actions. These quotes from the Spectator say it well: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/ Quote:
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I don’t claim to have any personal experience of the Irish troubles but I know cold blooded murder when I see it. It isn’t For a bunch of militant fanatics to declare ‘war’ on innocent people and can never be justified. They were murderers - and no amount of rhetoric will change that. Supporting terrorism, whatever the cause, is no better. Like you I find the attempted justification for mass murder very disturbing and believe such attitutudes are part of the problem. People have a right to a cause but not to murder innocent people - it is idealistic garbage that demonstrates a lack of humanity. People with such ideologies who believe they have the right to sacrifice others for their beliefs are dangerous and should never be appeased. Sacrificing their own lives for their cause may be considered admirable but sacrificing others is simple cowardice. Last edited by Brillopad; 26-03-2018 at 05:18 AM. |
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Your 'links' where are they? the LCI were 'linked' to this and that.... where? The rest is personal opinion, from rival politicians and journalists. Yes he was arrested that's well documented. To me you sound foolish... You're not posting evidence of his personal guilt for anything, just hearsay and supposition.
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So wiki is more reliable than the British justice system then?...
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OMG. There comes a time when all you can do is..... Last edited by jet; 26-03-2018 at 01:19 PM. |
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26-03-2018, 01:28 PM | #91 | |||
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That would explain the release not the exoneration.
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“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.”
Isn't that happening to Corbyn now?
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